From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Jann Horn" <jannh@google.com>,
"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
"Jeffrey Vander Stoep" <jeffv@google.com>,
"Minchan Kim" <minchan@kernel.org>,
"Shakeel Butt" <shakeelb@google.com>,
"David Rientjes" <rientjes@google.com>,
"Edgar Arriaga García" <edgararriaga@google.com>,
"Tim Murray" <timmurray@google.com>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
selinux@vger.kernel.org, "Linux API" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
kernel-team <kernel-team@android.com>,
"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/1] mm/madvise: replace ptrace attach requirement for process_madvise
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 10:12:03 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpHazLXJ1rpJQ+w9=8-O==rzz3yEVuVtSn-sYMS+a3FoXQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20210112074629.GG22493@dhcp22.suse.cz>
On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 11:46 PM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon 11-01-21 09:06:22, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > process_madvise currently requires ptrace attach capability.
> > PTRACE_MODE_ATTACH gives one process complete control over another
> > process. It effectively removes the security boundary between the
> > two processes (in one direction). Granting ptrace attach capability
> > even to a system process is considered dangerous since it creates an
> > attack surface. This severely limits the usage of this API.
> > The operations process_madvise can perform do not affect the correctness
> > of the operation of the target process; they only affect where the data
> > is physically located (and therefore, how fast it can be accessed).
>
> Yes it doesn't influence the correctness but it is still a very
> sensitive operation because it can allow a targeted side channel timing
> attacks so we should be really careful.
Sorry, I missed this comment in my answer. Possibility of affecting
the target's performance including side channel attack is why we
require CAP_SYS_NICE.
>
> > What we want is the ability for one process to influence another process
> > in order to optimize performance across the entire system while leaving
> > the security boundary intact.
> > Replace PTRACE_MODE_ATTACH with a combination of PTRACE_MODE_READ
> > and CAP_SYS_NICE. PTRACE_MODE_READ to prevent leaking ASLR metadata
> > and CAP_SYS_NICE for influencing process performance.
>
> I have to say that ptrace modes are rather obscure to me. So I cannot
> really judge whether MODE_READ is sufficient. My understanding has
> always been that this is requred to RO access to the address space. But
> this operation clearly has a visible side effect. Do we have any actual
> documentation for the existing modes?
>
> I would be really curious to hear from Jann and Oleg (now Cced).
>
> Is CAP_SYS_NICE requirement really necessary?
>
> > Signed-off-by: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
> > Acked-by: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
> > Acked-by: David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>
> > ---
> > mm/madvise.c | 13 ++++++++++++-
> > 1 file changed, 12 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/mm/madvise.c b/mm/madvise.c
> > index 6a660858784b..a9bcd16b5d95 100644
> > --- a/mm/madvise.c
> > +++ b/mm/madvise.c
> > @@ -1197,12 +1197,22 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE5(process_madvise, int, pidfd, const struct iovec __user *, vec,
> > goto release_task;
> > }
> >
> > - mm = mm_access(task, PTRACE_MODE_ATTACH_FSCREDS);
> > + /* Require PTRACE_MODE_READ to avoid leaking ASLR metadata. */
> > + mm = mm_access(task, PTRACE_MODE_READ_FSCREDS);
> > if (IS_ERR_OR_NULL(mm)) {
> > ret = IS_ERR(mm) ? PTR_ERR(mm) : -ESRCH;
> > goto release_task;
> > }
> >
> > + /*
> > + * Require CAP_SYS_NICE for influencing process performance. Note that
> > + * only non-destructive hints are currently supported.
> > + */
> > + if (!capable(CAP_SYS_NICE)) {
> > + ret = -EPERM;
> > + goto release_mm;
> > + }
> > +
> > total_len = iov_iter_count(&iter);
> >
> > while (iov_iter_count(&iter)) {
> > @@ -1217,6 +1227,7 @@ SYSCALL_DEFINE5(process_madvise, int, pidfd, const struct iovec __user *, vec,
> > if (ret == 0)
> > ret = total_len - iov_iter_count(&iter);
> >
> > +release_mm:
> > mmput(mm);
> > release_task:
> > put_task_struct(task);
> > --
> > 2.30.0.284.gd98b1dd5eaa7-goog
> >
>
> --
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-01-12 18:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-01-11 17:06 Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-01-11 18:33 ` Kees Cook
2021-01-12 1:22 ` Andrew Morton
2021-01-12 17:36 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-01-12 7:46 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-12 17:45 ` Oleg Nesterov
2021-01-12 17:51 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-01-13 14:22 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-13 18:08 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-01-20 13:17 ` Jann Horn
2021-01-20 16:57 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-01-20 20:46 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-01-26 13:52 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-28 19:51 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-01-29 7:08 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-02-02 5:34 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
[not found] ` <CAJuCfpEOE8=L1fT4FSauy65cS82M_kW3EzTgH89ewE9HudL=VA@mail.gmail.com>
2021-03-03 0:17 ` Andrew Morton
2021-03-03 0:19 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-03-03 19:00 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-01-12 18:12 ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2021-01-13 14:19 ` Michal Hocko
2021-01-20 5:01 ` James Morris
2021-01-20 16:49 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
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