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From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, willy@infradead.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 10/16] mm: replace vm_lock and detached flag with a reference count
Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2024 08:08:09 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpGafwBehugTB+D2M03zsbnvO_L8zZb1gzHYtfu5uYugvg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241219085311.GA26551@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Thu, Dec 19, 2024 at 12:53 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2024 at 09:58:12AM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
>
> > And remove_vma will be just freeing the vmas. Is that correct?
>
> Yep.
>
> > I'm a bit confused because the original thinking was that
> > vma_mark_detached() would drop the last refcnt and if it's 0 we would
> > free the vma right there. If that's still what we want to do then I
> > think the above sequence should look like this:
>
> Right; sorry about that. So my initial objection to that extra sync was
> based on the reasons presented -- but having had to look at the unmap
> path again (my mm-foo is somewhat rusty, I've not done much the past few
> years) I realized that keeping a VMA alive beyond unmapping PTEs is just
> plain daft.
>
> So yes, back to your original semantics, but cleaned up to not need that
> extra sync point -- instead relying on the natural placement of
> vma_start_write() after unhooking from the mm. And not for reasons of
> the race, but for reasons of integrity -- VMA without PTEs is asking for
> more trouble.

Ack. Thanks for clarification!


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-19 16:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-16 19:24 [PATCH v6 00/16] move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 01/16] mm: introduce vma_start_read_locked{_nested} helpers Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 02/16] mm: move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 03/16] mm: mark vma as detached until it's added into vma tree Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 04/16] mm/nommu: fix the last places where vma is not locked before being attached Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 05/16] types: move struct rcuwait into types.h Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 06/16] mm: allow vma_start_read_locked/vma_start_read_locked_nested to fail Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-17 11:31   ` Lokesh Gidra
2024-12-17 15:51     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 07/16] mm: move mmap_init_lock() out of the header file Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 08/16] mm: uninline the main body of vma_start_write() Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 09/16] refcount: introduce __refcount_{add|inc}_not_zero_limited Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 10/16] mm: replace vm_lock and detached flag with a reference count Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 20:42   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 20:53     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 21:15   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 21:53     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 22:00       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 21:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 21:44     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-17 10:30       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-17 16:27         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18  9:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-18 10:06             ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-18 15:37               ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-18 15:50                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 16:18                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-18 17:36                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 17:44                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-18 17:58                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 19:00                           ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-18 19:07                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 19:29                               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 19:38                                 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-18 20:00                                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 20:38                                     ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-18 21:53                                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 21:55                                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19  0:35                                         ` Andrew Morton
2024-12-19  0:47                                           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19  9:13                                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 11:20                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 16:17                                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19 17:16                                             ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-19 17:42                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 18:18                                                 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-19 18:46                                                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 18:55                                                     ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-20 15:22                                                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-23  3:03                                                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 17:12                                                         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19 16:14                                           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19 17:23                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19  8:55                                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 16:08                                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-19  8:53                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-19 16:08                             ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2024-12-18 15:57                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-18 16:13                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-18 15:42             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 11/16] mm: enforce vma to be in detached state before freeing Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 21:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 21:18     ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-16 21:57       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 12/16] mm: remove extra vma_numab_state_init() call Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 13/16] mm: introduce vma_ensure_detached() Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-17 10:26   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-17 15:58     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 14/16] mm: prepare lock_vma_under_rcu() for vma reuse possibility Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 15/16] mm: make vma cache SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:24 ` [PATCH v6 16/16] docs/mm: document latest changes to vm_lock Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:39 ` [PATCH v6 00/16] move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-17 18:42   ` Andrew Morton
2024-12-17 18:49     ` Suren Baghdasaryan

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