From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
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Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
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Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
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Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
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"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/1] mm: prevent a race between process_mrelease and exit_mmap
Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2021 08:44:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpGC9-c9P40x7oy=jy5SphMcd0o0G_6U1-+JAziGKG6dGA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YX+nYGlZBOAljoeF@dhcp22.suse.cz>
On Mon, Nov 1, 2021 at 1:37 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri 29-10-21 09:07:39, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > On Fri, Oct 29, 2021 at 6:03 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> [...]
> > > Well, I still do not see why that is a problem. This syscall is meant to
> > > release the address space not to do it fast.
> >
> > It's the same problem for a userspace memory reaper as for the
> > oom-reaper. The goal is to release the memory of the victim and to
> > quickly move on to the next one if needed.
>
> The purpose of the oom_reaper is to _guarantee_ a forward progress. It
> doesn't have to be quick or optimized for speed.
Fair enough. Then the same guarantees should apply to userspace memory
reapers. I think you clarified that well in your replies in
https://lore.kernel.org/all/20170725154514.GN26723@dhcp22.suse.cz:
Because there is no _guarantee_ that the final __mmput will release
the memory in finite time. And we cannot guarantee that longterm.
...
__mmput calls into exit_aio and that can wait for completion and there
is no way to guarantee this will finish in finite time.
>
> [...]
>
> > > Btw. the above code will not really tell you much on a larger machine
> > > unless you manage to trigger mmap_sem contection. Otherwise you are
> > > measuring the mmap_sem writelock fast path and that should be really
> > > within a noise comparing to the whole address space destruction time. If
> > > that is not the case then we have a real problem with the locking...
> >
> > My understanding of that discussion is that the concern was that even
> > taking uncontended mmap_sem writelock would regress the exit path.
> > That was what I wanted to confirm. Am I misreading it?
>
> No, your reading match my recollection. I just think that code
> robustness in exchange of a rw semaphore write lock fast path is a
> reasonable price to pay even if that has some effect on micro
> benchmarks.
I'm with you on this one, that's why I wanted to measure the price we
would pay. Below are the test results:
Test: https://lore.kernel.org/all/20170725142626.GJ26723@dhcp22.suse.cz/
Compiled: gcc -O2 -static test.c -o test
Test machine: 128 core / 256 thread 2x AMD EPYC 7B12 64-Core Processor
(family 17h)
baseline (Linus master, f31531e55495ca3746fb895ffdf73586be8259fa)
p50 (median) 87412
p95 168210
p99 190058
average 97843.8
stdev 29.85%
unconditional mmap_write_lock in exit_mmap (last column is the change
from the baseline)
p50 (median) 88312 +1.03%
p95 170797 +1.54%
p99 191813 +0.92%
average 97659.5 -0.19%
stdev 32.41%
unconditional mmap_write_lock in exit_mmap + Matthew's patch (last
column is the change from the baseline)
p50 (median) 88807 +1.60%
p95 167783 -0.25%
p99 187853 -1.16%
average 97491.4 -0.36%
stdev 30.61%
stdev is quite high in all cases, so the test is very noisy.
The impact seems quite low IMHO. WDYT?
> --
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-01 15:45 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-10-22 1:46 Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-22 2:24 ` Andrew Morton
2021-10-22 5:23 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-22 8:03 ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-22 11:32 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-10-22 12:04 ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-22 17:38 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-27 16:08 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-27 17:33 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-10-27 17:42 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-27 17:51 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-10-27 18:00 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-10-29 13:03 ` Michal Hocko
2021-10-29 16:07 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-01 8:37 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-01 15:44 ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2021-11-01 19:59 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-02 7:58 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-02 15:14 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:01 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:26 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-09 19:37 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:50 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-09 20:02 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 20:10 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-09 21:10 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-11 1:49 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-11 9:20 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-11 15:02 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-12 8:58 ` Michal Hocko
2021-11-12 16:00 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2021-11-09 19:41 ` Michal Hocko
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