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From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, liam.howlett@oracle.com,
	 lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, mhocko@suse.com, vbabka@suse.cz,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/4] mm: replace rw_semaphore with atomic_t in vma_lock
Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2024 09:41:22 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpFtH7K_fkQ9anW94SZr1Ltq8wxJkP0fkG-SHr_HWWCORQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241213092223.GB2484@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Fri, Dec 13, 2024 at 1:22 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 06:17:44AM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 12, 2024 at 1:17 AM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, Dec 11, 2024 at 07:01:16PM -0800, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > > I think your proposal should work. Let me try to code it and see if
> > > > > > > something breaks.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, I tried it out and things are a bit more complex:
> > > > 1. We should allow write-locking a detached VMA, IOW vma_start_write()
> > > > can be called when vm_refcnt is 0.
> > >
> > > This sounds dodgy, refcnt being zero basically means the object is dead
> > > and you shouldn't be touching it no more. Where does this happen and
> > > why?
> > >
> > > Notably, it being 0 means it is no longer in the mas tree and can't be
> > > found anymore.
> >
> > It happens when a newly created vma that was not yet attached
> > (vma->vm_refcnt = 0) is write-locked before being added into the vma
> > tree. For example:
> > mmap()
> >   mmap_write_lock()
> >   vma = vm_area_alloc() // vma->vm_refcnt = 0 (detached)
> >   //vma attributes are initialized
> >   vma_start_write() // write 0x8000 0001 into vma->vm_refcnt
> >   mas_store_gfp()
> >   vma_mark_attached()
> >   mmap_write_lock() // vma_end_write_all()
> >
> > In this scenario, we write-lock the VMA before adding it into the tree
> > to prevent readers (pagefaults) from using it until we drop the
> > mmap_write_lock().
>
> Ah, but you can do that by setting vma->vm_lock_seq and setting the ref
> to 1 before adding it (its not visible before adding anyway, so nobody
> cares).
>
> You'll note that the read thing checks both the msb (or other high bit
> depending on the actual type you're going with) *and* the seq. That is
> needed because we must not set the sequence number before all existing
> readers are drained, but since this is pre-add that is not a concern.

Yes, I realized that there is an interesting rule that help in this
case: vma_mark_attached() is called only on a newly created vma which
can't be found by anyone else or the vma is already locked, therefore
vma_start_write() can never race with vma_mark_attached(). Considering
that vma_mark_attached() is the only one that can raise vma->vm_refcnt
from 0, vma_start_write() can set vma->vm_lock_seq without modifying
vma->vm_refcnt at all if vma->vm_refcnt==0.

>
> > > > 2. Adding 0x80000000 saturates refcnt, so I have to use a lower bit
> > > > 0x40000000 to denote writers.
> > >
> > > I'm confused, what? We're talking about atomic_t, right?
> >
> > I thought you suggested using refcount_t. According to
> > https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v6.13-rc2/source/include/linux/refcount.h#L22
> > valid values would be [0..0x7fff_ffff] and 0x80000000 is outside of
> > that range. What am I missing?
>
> I was talking about atomic_t :-), but yeah, maybe we can use refcount_t,
> but I hadn't initially considered that.

My current implementation is using refcount_t but I might have to
change that to atomic_t to handle vm_refcnt overflows in
vma_start_read().

>


  reply	other threads:[~2024-12-13 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-11 20:55 [PATCH 0/4] move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-11 20:55 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm: introduce vma_start_read_locked{_nested} helpers Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-11 20:55 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm: move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-12  9:36   ` kernel test robot
2024-11-12  9:47   ` kernel test robot
2024-11-12 10:18   ` kernel test robot
2024-11-12 15:57   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-11-12 16:08     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-12 16:58       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-11 20:55 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: replace rw_semaphore with atomic_t in vma_lock Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-12  0:06   ` Andrew Morton
2024-11-12  0:52     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-12  0:35   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2024-11-12  0:59     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-12  4:58   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-11-12 15:18     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-10 22:38       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-10 23:37         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-11  8:25           ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-11 15:20             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-12  3:01               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-12  9:16                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-12 14:17                   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-12 14:19                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-13  4:48                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-13  9:57                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-13 17:45                           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-13 18:19                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-12-13 18:35                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-13 18:37                               ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-16 19:32                                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-13  9:22                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-12-13 17:41                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2024-11-11 20:55 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: move lesser used vma_area_struct members into the last cacheline Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-12 10:07   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-11-12 15:45     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-11 21:41 ` [PATCH 0/4] move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-12  2:48   ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-11-12  3:27     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-11 22:18 ` Davidlohr Bueso
2024-11-11 23:19   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-12  0:03     ` Davidlohr Bueso
2024-11-12  0:43       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-12  0:11     ` Andrew Morton
2024-11-12  0:48       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-12  2:35 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-11-12  3:23   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-11-12  9:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2024-11-12 15:38   ` Suren Baghdasaryan

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