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From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com>
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, vbabka@suse.cz, andreyknvl@gmail.com,
	 cl@linux.com, dvyukov@google.com, glider@google.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org, mhocko@kernel.org,
	muchun.song@linux.dev,  rientjes@google.com,
	roman.gushchin@linux.dev, ryabinin.a.a@gmail.com,
	 shakeel.butt@linux.dev, vincenzo.frascino@arm.com,
	yeoreum.yun@arm.com,  tytso@mit.edu, adilger.kernel@dilger.ca,
	linux-ext4@vger.kernel.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH V3 3/7] mm/slab: abstract slabobj_ext access via new slab_obj_ext() helper
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2025 22:03:55 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpFNsmS-wk8OQJwAsT6kRBz9TOmA2wuCJ=AL4588qhYtJQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQK-wyE-h1bvaNOq@hyeyoo>

On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 6:26 PM Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 08:24:35AM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 1:49 AM Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Tue, Oct 28, 2025 at 10:55:39AM -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2025 at 5:29 AM Harry Yoo <harry.yoo@oracle.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Currently, the slab allocator assumes that slab->obj_exts is a pointer
> > > > > to an array of struct slabobj_ext objects. However, to support storage
> > > > > methods where struct slabobj_ext is embedded within objects, the slab
> > > > > allocator should not make this assumption. Instead of directly
> > > > > dereferencing the slabobj_exts array, abstract access to
> > > > > struct slabobj_ext via helper functions.
> > > > >
> > > > > Introduce a new API slabobj_ext metadata access:
> > > > >
> > > > >   slab_obj_ext(slab, obj_exts, index) - returns the pointer to
> > > > >   struct slabobj_ext element at the given index.
> > > > >
> > > > > Directly dereferencing the return value of slab_obj_exts() is no longer
> > > > > allowed. Instead, slab_obj_ext() must always be used to access
> > > > > individual struct slabobj_ext objects.
> > > >
> > > > If direct access to the vector is not allowed, it would be better to
> > > > eliminate slab_obj_exts() function completely and use the new
> > > > slab_obj_ext() instead. I think that's possible. We might need an
> > > > additional `bool is_slab_obj_exts()` helper for an early check before
> > > > we calculate the object index but that's quite easy.
> > >
> > > Good point, but that way we cannot avoid reading slab->obj_exts
> > > multiple times when we access slabobj_ext of multiple objects
> > > as it's accessed via READ_ONCE().
> >
> > True. I think we use slab->obj_exts to loop over its elements only in
> > two places: __memcg_slab_post_alloc_hook() and
> > __memcg_slab_free_hook(). I guess we could implement some kind of
> > slab_objext_foreach() construct to loop over all elements of
> > slab->obj_exts?
>
> Not sure if that would help here. In __memcg_slab_free_hook() we want to
> iterate only some of (not all of) elements from the same slab
> (we know they're from the same slab as we build detached freelist and
> sort the array) and so we read slab->obj_exts only once.
>
> In __memcg_slab_post_alloc_hook() we don't know if the objects are from
> the same slab, so we read slab->obj_exts multiple times and charge them.
>
> I think we need to either 1) remove slab_obj_exts() and
> then introduce is_slab_obj_exts() and see if it has impact on
> performance, or 2) keep it as-is.

Ok, it sounds like too much effort for avoiding a direct accessor.
Let's go with (2) for now.

>
> Thanks!
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Harry / Hyeonggon


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-30  5:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-27 12:28 [RFC PATCH V3 0/7] mm/slab: reduce slab accounting memory overhead by allocating slabobj_ext metadata within unused slab space Harry Yoo
2025-10-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH V3 1/7] mm/slab: allow specifying freepointer offset when using constructor Harry Yoo
2025-10-28 17:43   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-29  7:10     ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-30 14:35       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH V3 2/7] ext4: specify the free pointer offset for ext4_inode_cache Harry Yoo
2025-10-28 17:22   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-28 17:25     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH V3 3/7] mm/slab: abstract slabobj_ext access via new slab_obj_ext() helper Harry Yoo
2025-10-28 17:55   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-29  8:49     ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-29 15:24       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-30  1:26         ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-30  5:03           ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2025-10-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH V3 4/7] mm/slab: use stride to access slabobj_ext Harry Yoo
2025-10-28 20:10   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH V3 5/7] mm/memcontrol,alloc_tag: handle slabobj_ext access under KASAN poison Harry Yoo
2025-10-28 23:03   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-29  8:06     ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-29 15:28       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH V3 6/7] mm/slab: save memory by allocating slabobj_ext array from leftover Harry Yoo
2025-10-29  3:07   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-29  7:59     ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-29 18:37       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-30  0:40         ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-30 16:33           ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-10-29 18:45   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2025-10-30  1:11     ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-27 12:28 ` [RFC PATCH V3 7/7] mm/slab: place slabobj_ext metadata in unused space within s->size Harry Yoo
2025-10-29  3:19   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-10-29 18:19   ` Andrey Ryabinin
2025-10-30  0:51     ` Harry Yoo
2025-10-30 12:41       ` Yeoreum Yun
2025-10-30 16:39 ` [RFC PATCH V3 0/7] mm/slab: reduce slab accounting memory overhead by allocating slabobj_ext metadata within unused slab space Vlastimil Babka

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