From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>
Cc: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org,
oleg@redhat.com, rostedt@goodmis.org, mhiramat@kernel.org,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
jolsa@kernel.org, paulmck@kernel.org, willy@infradead.org,
akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
mjguzik@gmail.com, brauner@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce mmap_lock_speculation_{start|end}
Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2024 14:48:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpFFqqUWYOob_WYG_aY=PurnKvZjxznnx7V0=ESbNzHr_w@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAEf4BzbzDjKbSZz4U+L_F3V-abXY3stgen2UhpQ1Tvba5owFcw@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Sep 11, 2024 at 2:35 PM Andrii Nakryiko
<andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 7:09 PM Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 5:35 AM Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 7:12 AM Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > > +static inline bool mmap_lock_speculation_end(struct mm_struct *mm, int seq)
> > > > +{
> > > > + /* Pairs with RELEASE semantics in inc_mm_lock_seq(). */
> > > > + return seq == smp_load_acquire(&mm->mm_lock_seq);
> > > > +}
> > >
> > > A load-acquire can't provide "end of locked section" semantics - a
> > > load-acquire is a one-way barrier, you can basically use it for
> > > "acquire lock" semantics but not for "release lock" semantics, because
> > > the CPU will prevent reordering the load with *later* loads but not
> > > with *earlier* loads. So if you do:
> > >
> > > mmap_lock_speculation_start()
> > > [locked reads go here]
> > > mmap_lock_speculation_end()
> > >
> > > then the CPU is allowed to reorder your instructions like this:
> > >
> > > mmap_lock_speculation_start()
> > > mmap_lock_speculation_end()
> > > [locked reads go here]
> > >
> > > so the lock is broken.
> >
> > Hi Jann,
> > Thanks for the review!
> > Yeah, you are right, we do need an smp_rmb() before we compare
> > mm->mm_lock_seq with the stored seq.
> >
> > Otherwise reads might get reordered this way:
> >
> > CPU1 CPU2
> > mmap_lock_speculation_start() // seq = mm->mm_lock_seq
> > reloaded_seq = mm->mm_lock_seq; // reordered read
> > mmap_write_lock() // inc_mm_lock_seq(mm)
> > vma->vm_file = ...;
> > mmap_write_unlock() // inc_mm_lock_seq(mm)
> > <speculate>
> > mmap_lock_speculation_end() // return (reloaded_seq == seq)
> >
> > >
> > > > static inline void mmap_write_lock(struct mm_struct *mm)
> > > > {
> > > > __mmap_lock_trace_start_locking(mm, true);
> > > > down_write(&mm->mmap_lock);
> > > > + inc_mm_lock_seq(mm);
> > > > __mmap_lock_trace_acquire_returned(mm, true, true);
> > > > }
> > >
> > > Similarly, inc_mm_lock_seq(), which does a store-release, can only
> > > provide "release lock" semantics, not "take lock" semantics, because
> > > the CPU can reorder it with later stores; for example, this code:
> > >
> > > inc_mm_lock_seq()
> > > [locked stuff goes here]
> > > inc_mm_lock_seq()
> > >
> > > can be reordered into this:
> > >
> > > [locked stuff goes here]
> > > inc_mm_lock_seq()
> > > inc_mm_lock_seq()
> > >
> > > so the lock is broken.
> >
> > Ugh, yes. We do need smp_wmb() AFTER the inc_mm_lock_seq(). Whenever
>
> Suren, can you share with me an updated patch for mm_lock_seq with the
> right memory barriers? Do you think this might have a noticeable
> impact on performance? What sort of benchmark do mm folks use to
> quantify changes like that?
Yes, I think I can get it to you before leaving for LPC.
It might end up affecting paths where we take mmap_lock for write
(mmap/munmap/mprotect/etc) but these are not considered fast paths.
I'll think about possible tests we can run to evaluate it.
>
> > we use inc_mm_lock_seq() for "take lock" semantics, it's preceded by a
> > down_write(&mm->mmap_lock) with implied ACQUIRE ordering. So I thought
> > we can use it but I realize now that this reordering is still
> > possible:
> > CPU1 CPU2
> > mmap_write_lock()
> > down_write(&mm->mmap_lock);
> > vma->vm_file = ...;
> >
> > mmap_lock_speculation_start() // seq = mm->mm_lock_seq
> > <speculate>
> > mmap_lock_speculation_end() // return (mm->mm_lock_seq == seq)
> >
> > inc_mm_lock_seq(mm);
> > mmap_write_unlock() // inc_mm_lock_seq(mm)
> >
> > Is that what you were describing?
> > Thanks,
> > Suren.
> >
> > >
> > > For "taking a lock" with a memory store, or "dropping a lock" with a
> > > memory load, you need heavier memory barriers, see
> > > Documentation/memory-barriers.txt.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-09-11 21:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-09-06 5:12 [PATCH 0/2] uprobes,mm: speculative lockless VMA-to-uprobe lookup Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-06 5:12 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce mmap_lock_speculation_{start|end} Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-09 12:35 ` Jann Horn
2024-09-10 2:09 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-10 15:31 ` Jann Horn
2024-09-11 21:34 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-11 21:48 ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2024-09-12 21:02 ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-12 21:04 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-12 22:19 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-12 22:24 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-12 22:52 ` Jann Horn
2024-09-24 17:15 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-24 18:00 ` Jann Horn
2024-09-06 5:12 ` [PATCH 2/2] uprobes: add speculative lockless VMA-to-inode-to-uprobe resolution Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-08 1:22 ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-09-09 1:08 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-09 13:12 ` Jann Horn
2024-09-09 21:29 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 15:39 ` Jann Horn
2024-09-10 20:56 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 16:32 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-10 20:58 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-12 11:17 ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-12 17:54 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-15 15:04 ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-17 8:19 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 16:06 ` [PATCH 0/2] uprobes,mm: speculative lockless VMA-to-uprobe lookup Jann Horn
2024-09-10 17:58 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 18:13 ` Jann Horn
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