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From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	linux-trace-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  peterz@infradead.org,
	oleg@redhat.com, rostedt@goodmis.org,  mhiramat@kernel.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 jolsa@kernel.org, paulmck@kernel.org, willy@infradead.org,
	 akpm@linux-foundation.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	mjguzik@gmail.com,  brauner@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce mmap_lock_speculation_{start|end}
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2024 19:09:15 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpFAvsMsBTBMaK5sHFkLQPrfE0nb401gEb2hmN2rbjza6g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez2hAQBj-VnimJBd3M-ioANVTk+ZQXYWD+j9G+ip2K_nfw@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 5:35 AM Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2024 at 7:12 AM Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org> wrote:
> > +static inline bool mmap_lock_speculation_end(struct mm_struct *mm, int seq)
> > +{
> > +       /* Pairs with RELEASE semantics in inc_mm_lock_seq(). */
> > +       return seq == smp_load_acquire(&mm->mm_lock_seq);
> > +}
>
> A load-acquire can't provide "end of locked section" semantics - a
> load-acquire is a one-way barrier, you can basically use it for
> "acquire lock" semantics but not for "release lock" semantics, because
> the CPU will prevent reordering the load with *later* loads but not
> with *earlier* loads. So if you do:
>
> mmap_lock_speculation_start()
> [locked reads go here]
> mmap_lock_speculation_end()
>
> then the CPU is allowed to reorder your instructions like this:
>
> mmap_lock_speculation_start()
> mmap_lock_speculation_end()
> [locked reads go here]
>
> so the lock is broken.

Hi Jann,
Thanks for the review!
Yeah, you are right, we do need an smp_rmb() before we compare
mm->mm_lock_seq with the stored seq.

Otherwise reads might get reordered this way:

CPU1                        CPU2
mmap_lock_speculation_start() // seq = mm->mm_lock_seq
reloaded_seq = mm->mm_lock_seq; // reordered read
                                 mmap_write_lock() // inc_mm_lock_seq(mm)
                                 vma->vm_file = ...;
                                 mmap_write_unlock() // inc_mm_lock_seq(mm)
<speculate>
mmap_lock_speculation_end() // return (reloaded_seq == seq)

>
> >  static inline void mmap_write_lock(struct mm_struct *mm)
> >  {
> >         __mmap_lock_trace_start_locking(mm, true);
> >         down_write(&mm->mmap_lock);
> > +       inc_mm_lock_seq(mm);
> >         __mmap_lock_trace_acquire_returned(mm, true, true);
> >  }
>
> Similarly, inc_mm_lock_seq(), which does a store-release, can only
> provide "release lock" semantics, not "take lock" semantics, because
> the CPU can reorder it with later stores; for example, this code:
>
> inc_mm_lock_seq()
> [locked stuff goes here]
> inc_mm_lock_seq()
>
> can be reordered into this:
>
> [locked stuff goes here]
> inc_mm_lock_seq()
> inc_mm_lock_seq()
>
> so the lock is broken.

Ugh, yes. We do need smp_wmb() AFTER the inc_mm_lock_seq(). Whenever
we use inc_mm_lock_seq() for "take lock" semantics, it's preceded by a
down_write(&mm->mmap_lock) with implied ACQUIRE ordering. So I thought
we can use it but I realize now that this reordering is still
possible:
CPU1                        CPU2
                                 mmap_write_lock()
                                       down_write(&mm->mmap_lock);
                                       vma->vm_file = ...;

mmap_lock_speculation_start() // seq = mm->mm_lock_seq
<speculate>
mmap_lock_speculation_end() // return (mm->mm_lock_seq == seq)

                                       inc_mm_lock_seq(mm);
                                 mmap_write_unlock() // inc_mm_lock_seq(mm)

Is that what you were describing?
Thanks,
Suren.

>
> For "taking a lock" with a memory store, or "dropping a lock" with a
> memory load, you need heavier memory barriers, see
> Documentation/memory-barriers.txt.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-10  2:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-06  5:12 [PATCH 0/2] uprobes,mm: speculative lockless VMA-to-uprobe lookup Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-06  5:12 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: introduce mmap_lock_speculation_{start|end} Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-09 12:35   ` Jann Horn
2024-09-10  2:09     ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2024-09-10 15:31       ` Jann Horn
2024-09-11 21:34       ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-11 21:48         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-12 21:02           ` [PATCH v2 1/1] " Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-12 21:04             ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-12 22:19               ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-12 22:24                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-12 22:52             ` Jann Horn
2024-09-24 17:15               ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-09-24 18:00                 ` Jann Horn
2024-09-06  5:12 ` [PATCH 2/2] uprobes: add speculative lockless VMA-to-inode-to-uprobe resolution Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-08  1:22   ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-09-09  1:08     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-09 13:12   ` Jann Horn
2024-09-09 21:29     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 15:39       ` Jann Horn
2024-09-10 20:56         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 16:32       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-09-10 20:58         ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-12 11:17           ` Christian Brauner
2024-09-12 17:54             ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-15 15:04   ` Oleg Nesterov
2024-09-17  8:19     ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 16:06 ` [PATCH 0/2] uprobes,mm: speculative lockless VMA-to-uprobe lookup Jann Horn
2024-09-10 17:58   ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-09-10 18:13     ` Jann Horn

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