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From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Eric Naim <dnaim@cachyos.org>
Cc: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 10/17] mm: uninline the main body of vma_start_write()
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 10:09:57 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpF=pUQFpbGn4kGjpW4dObcMbo8CTFLGK09npGi4W4MCsg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <182bfb4f-e856-47d8-bc54-d419109cb4ac@cachyos.org>

On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 12:52 AM Eric Naim <dnaim@cachyos.org> wrote:
>
> On 4/8/25 14:25, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 07, 2025 at 11:01:46PM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> >> On Tue, Apr 08, 2025 at 12:39:25PM +0800, Eric Naim wrote:
> >>> The out-of-tree NVIDIA modules seem to rely on this symbol, is it possible to use EXPORT_SYMBOL() here instead of EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(), below is the modpost error:
> >>
> >> No.  They don't have any business using this.
> >
> > What on _earth_ are they using this for? Is this just via the VMA flag
> > manipulation functions? If it's something else, it's an unintended use of this.
> >
> > Anyway, generally speaking - agreed, this is absolutely a no-go Eric. In my view
> > we simply should not be using EXPORT_SYMBOL() for _any_ new symbols whatsoever.
> >
> > Out-of-tree modules are simply a non-consideration for core mm code, this is a
> > GPL open source project. If I had my way we'd simply revoke _all_
> > EXPORT_SYMBOL()'s, not add new ones.
> >
> >>
> >> In fact vma_start_write should not be exported at all, just the
> >> vm_flags_{set,clear,mod} helpers.
> >
> > Yup, I'd rather we just kept vma_start_write() mm-internal, though of course
> > kernel/fork.c (ugh) needs it (we could probably refactor that in some way to
> > avoid), and literally just the PPC arch (again maybe we can find a way round
> > that).
> >
> > Maybe one for me to look at actually... hmm.
> >
> > Anyway Eric - I wonder if this is simply the nvidia OOT driver doing a
> > vm_flags_...() call and then having an issue because the lock is uninlined now?
> >
> > I guess you are jut noticing this is breaking and don't know since - proprietary
> > code.
>
>
> This seems to be the case, upon looking a bit deeper it looks like the driver code
> is calling atleast one of vm_flags_set. I couldn't find any direct calls to {,__}vma_start_write
> at first and was bit confused.

I agree that EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL() should be enough as far as exporting goes.

>
> >
> > Anyway in this case, the OOT driver should just write some GPL wrapper code or
> > something here. Or better yet - make the driver open source :)
>
> Yeah, as obvious as it seems it doesn't happen on their open-sourced code :)
>
> Either way, I'm thankful for the replies. NVIDIA *should* have probably noticed
> this already and it would probably fixed in the next driver or two so I'll just
> let sleeping dogs lie.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Eric


  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-08 17:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-26 17:06 [PATCH v7 00/17] move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 17:06 ` [PATCH v7 01/17] mm: introduce vma_start_read_locked{_nested} helpers Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-08 14:59   ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-26 17:06 ` [PATCH v7 02/17] mm: move per-vma lock into vm_area_struct Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-08 14:59   ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-26 17:06 ` [PATCH v7 03/17] mm: mark vma as detached until it's added into vma tree Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-08 15:01   ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-26 17:06 ` [PATCH v7 04/17] mm: modify vma_iter_store{_gfp} to indicate if it's storing a new vma Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-07 16:48   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-07 16:49   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-07 17:12     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 17:06 ` [PATCH v7 05/17] mm: mark vmas detached upon exit Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-07 17:08   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-07 17:13     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 17:06 ` [PATCH v7 06/17] mm/nommu: fix the last places where vma is not locked before being attached Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-07 17:51   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-07 18:05     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 17:06 ` [PATCH v7 07/17] types: move struct rcuwait into types.h Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-27 18:35   ` Davidlohr Bueso
2025-01-08 15:02   ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-12-26 17:07 ` [PATCH v7 08/17] mm: allow vma_start_read_locked/vma_start_read_locked_nested to fail Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-07 17:28   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-07 17:31     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 17:07 ` [PATCH v7 09/17] mm: move mmap_init_lock() out of the header file Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-07 17:30   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-26 17:07 ` [PATCH v7 10/17] mm: uninline the main body of vma_start_write() Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-07 17:35   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-07 17:45     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-07 18:51       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-04-08  4:39     ` Eric Naim
2025-04-08  6:01       ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-08  6:25         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-04-08  7:52           ` Eric Naim
2025-04-08 17:09             ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2024-12-26 17:07 ` [PATCH v7 11/17] refcount: introduce __refcount_{add|inc}_not_zero_limited Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-08  9:16   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-08 15:06     ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-01-08 15:45       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-10 13:32       ` David Laight
2025-01-10 16:29         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 17:07 ` [PATCH v7 12/17] mm: replace vm_lock and detached flag with a reference count Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-06  0:38   ` Wei Yang
2025-01-06 17:26     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-07 18:44   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-07 19:38     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-08 11:52   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-08 17:53     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 17:07 ` [PATCH v7 13/17] mm/debug: print vm_refcnt state when dumping the vma Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 19:40   ` kernel test robot
2024-12-26 19:51     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 19:54       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 20:04         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 20:13   ` kernel test robot
2024-12-26 17:07 ` [PATCH v7 14/17] mm: remove extra vma_numab_state_init() call Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-08 18:04   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-26 17:07 ` [PATCH v7 15/17] mm: prepare lock_vma_under_rcu() for vma reuse possibility Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-08 18:05   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-12-26 17:07 ` [PATCH v7 16/17] mm: make vma cache SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-08 14:55   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-01-08 18:21   ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-08 18:44     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-08 19:00       ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-01-08 19:17         ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-12-26 17:07 ` [PATCH v7 17/17] docs/mm: document latest changes to vm_lock Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-01-08 15:46   ` Liam R. Howlett

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