From: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Cc: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [BUG] hard-to-hit mm_struct UAF due to insufficiently careful vma_refcount_put() wrt SLAB_TYPESAFE_BY_RCU
Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2025 07:29:42 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJuCfpEVrpHACx2G2=Gq7YadxkA-DnFpFmbUij=Xr1=w7yrLbg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dbc20783-0ff5-4902-bd73-e9282bfd87ba@lucifer.local>
On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 3:53 AM Lorenzo Stoakes
<lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2025 at 10:38:06AM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> > On 7/24/25 04:30, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> > > So, I think vma_refcount_put() can mmgrab(vma->mm) before calling
> > > __refcount_dec_and_test(), to stabilize that mm and then mmdrop()
> > > after it calls rcuwait_wake_up(). What do you think about this
> > > approach, folks?
> >
> > Yeah except it would be wasteful to do for all vma_refcount_put(). Should be
> > enough to have this version (as Jann suggested) for inval_end_read: part of
> > lock_vma_under_rcu.
Yes, definitely.
> > I think we need it also for the vma_refcount_put() done
> > in vma_start_read() when we fail the seqcount check? I think in that case
> > the same thing can be happening too, just with different race windows?
Yes.
> >
> > Also as Jann suggested, maybe it's not great (or even safe) to perform
> > __mmdrop() under rcu? And maybe some vma_start_read() users are even more
> > restricted? Maybe then we'd need to make __mmdrop_delayed() not RT-only, and
> > use that.
>
> Agreed that doing this under RCU seems unwise.
>
> I know PTL relies on this as well as zap PTE page table reclaim, likely these
> wouldn't interact with an mm going away (you'd hope!) but it seems unwise to
> play around with assumptions here.
__mmdrop_delayed() is a viable option but I would hate adding
mm->delayed_drop for !CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT just for this one case.
Alternatively, we don't need to be in the rcu read section when we
call vma_end_read() inside lock_vma_under_rcu(). We refcounted the
vma, so it's locked and stable, no need for RCU at that point. We can
move rcu_read_unlock() before vma_end_read(). However that's not the
case with the vma_refcount_put() inside vma_start_read(). We could
change vma_start_read() semantics so that it drops rcu_read_lock
before it returns. That way we could do vma_refcount_put() after
rcu_read_unlock() in both places. The retry case in
lock_vma_under_rcu() would have to reacquire rcu_read_lock() but that
retry is not the usual path, so should not affect overall locking
performance. What do you think about this alternative?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-24 14:30 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-23 16:26 Jann Horn
2025-07-23 17:32 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 17:49 ` Jann Horn
2025-07-23 17:55 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-23 19:01 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 0:13 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-24 4:40 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-23 18:10 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-23 18:19 ` Jann Horn
2025-07-23 18:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-23 19:52 ` Jann Horn
2025-07-23 20:00 ` Jann Horn
2025-07-24 5:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 5:23 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-23 20:27 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-24 2:30 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-24 8:38 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 10:53 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 14:29 ` Suren Baghdasaryan [this message]
2025-07-24 14:45 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-07-24 14:52 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-24 14:45 ` Jann Horn
2025-07-24 16:36 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-28 17:14 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2025-07-23 18:14 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-23 18:30 ` Jann Horn
2025-07-23 18:45 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-23 19:43 ` Jann Horn
2025-07-24 5:13 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-07-24 14:50 ` Jann Horn
2025-07-24 14:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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