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From: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
To: Jingbo Xu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com>
Cc: Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Joanne Koong <joannelkoong@gmail.com>,
	 linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, josef@toxicpanda.com,
	 bernd.schubert@fastmail.fm, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] fuse: remove tmp folio for writebacks and internal rb tree
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2024 11:57:13 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJfpegv_Dyx_6+A2dgUuO7TA8nR+AUExCdFA6wKjm6xVYvyMGg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8eec0912-7a6c-4387-b9be-6718f438a111@linux.alibaba.com>

On Wed, 16 Oct 2024 at 11:44, Jingbo Xu <jefflexu@linux.alibaba.com> wrote:

> 1) a non-malicious fuse daemon wants to allocate some memory when
> processing a fuse request, which in turn leads to memory reclaim and
> thus waiting on the writeback of fuse dirty pages - a deadlock here.
> This is reasonable and also the target scenario that this series wants
> to fix.
>
> 2) a malicious fuse daemon refuses to process any request; or a buggy or
> not well-written fuse daemon as you described, e.g. may call sync(2)
> itself or access page cache backed by itself, then
>   2.1) any unrelated user process attempting to initiate a sync(2)
> itself, will hang there.  This scenario is also unexpected and shall be
> fixed.

Exactly.

We only care about

 - properly written server not deadlocking

 - buggy or malicious server not denying service to unrelated tasks,
where unrelated means it would not otherwise be able to access the
fuse mount. Typically this separation is done with a user namespace or
-oallow_other.

Thanks,
Miklos


>   2.2) any direct user of fuse filesystem (e.g. access files backed by
> fuse filesystem) will hang in this case.  IMHO this is expected, and the
> impact is affordable as it is controlled within certain range (the
> direct user of the fs).
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Jingbo


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-16  9:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-14 18:22 [PATCH v2 0/2] fuse: remove extra page copies in writeback Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 18:22 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] mm: skip reclaiming folios in writeback contexts that may trigger deadlock Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 18:38   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-14 21:04     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 23:57       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-15 16:59         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-14 18:22 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] fuse: remove tmp folio for writebacks and internal rb tree Joanne Koong
2024-10-15 10:01   ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-15 17:06     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-15 19:17       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-16  9:44         ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-16  9:57           ` Miklos Szeredi [this message]
2024-10-16  9:51         ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-16 17:52           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-16 18:37             ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-16 21:27               ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-17 13:31                 ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-18  5:31                   ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-21 10:15                     ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-21 17:01                       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-22 15:03                         ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-21 21:05                       ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-24 16:54                         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-25  1:38                           ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-25 15:32                             ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-25 17:36                             ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-25 18:02                               ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-25 18:19                                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-28  2:02                                   ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-25 18:47                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-28  2:28                                 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-28 21:57                                   ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-25 22:40                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-28 21:58                                 ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30  9:32                                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 16:04                                     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30 16:21                                       ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 17:02                                         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30 17:27                                           ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 17:35                                             ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-30 21:56                                               ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-30 22:17                                                 ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-30 22:51                                                   ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-31  0:30                                                     ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-31 19:06                                                       ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-31 20:06                                                         ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-31 21:52                                                           ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-31 22:38                                                             ` Shakeel Butt
2024-11-06 23:37                                                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-11-06 23:56                                                                 ` Shakeel Butt
2024-11-01 11:44                                                             ` Jingbo Xu
2024-11-01 20:54                                                               ` Joanne Koong
2024-11-04  8:09                                                                 ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-29 22:04                   ` Bernd Schubert
2024-10-16  9:56     ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-16 10:00       ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-18  1:30     ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-18  5:57       ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-18 19:57         ` Joanne Koong
2024-10-18 20:46           ` Shakeel Butt
2024-10-21  9:32       ` Miklos Szeredi
2024-10-18  9:24   ` Jingbo Xu
2024-10-18 20:29     ` Joanne Koong

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