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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
To: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
Cc: Chris Li <chriscli@google.com>,
	Zhongkun He <hezhongkun.hzk@bytedance.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	 Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	Seth Jennings <sjenning@redhat.com>,
	 Dan Streetman <ddstreet@ieee.org>,
	Vitaly Wool <vitaly.wool@konsulko.com>,
	 linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm:zswap: fix zswap entry reclamation failure in two scenarios
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2023 10:52:25 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJD7tkbfjhC8SHZ=KspVfrTECZyY8BYrPGcLVLJcJRwXXdYDrw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8734x1cdtr.fsf@yhuang6-desk2.ccr.corp.intel.com>

On Sun, Nov 19, 2023 at 7:20 PM Huang, Ying <ying.huang@intel.com> wrote:
>
> Chris Li <chriscli@google.com> writes:
>
> > On Thu, Nov 16, 2023 at 12:19 PM Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Not bypassing the swap slot cache, just make the callbacks to
> >> invalidate the zswap entry, do memg uncharging, etc when the slot is
> >> no longer used and is entering the swap slot cache (i.e. when
> >> free_swap_slot() is called), instead of when draining the swap slot
> >> cache (i.e. when swap_range_free() is called). For all parts of MM
> >> outside of swap, the swap entry is freed when free_swap_slot() is
> >> called. We don't free it immediately because of caching, but this
> >> should be transparent to other parts of MM (e.g. zswap, memcg, etc).
> >
> > That will cancel the batching effect on the swap slot free, making the
> > common case for  swapping  faults take longer to complete, righ?
> > If I recall correctly, the uncharge is the expensive part of the swap
> > slot free operation.
> > I just want to figure out what we are trading off against. This is not
> > one side wins all situations.
>
> Per my understanding, we don't batch memcg uncharging in
> swap_entry_free() now.  Although it's possible and may improve
> performance.

Yes. It actually causes a long tail in swapin fault latency as Chris
discovered in our prod. I am wondering if doing the memcg uncharging
outside the slots cache will actually amortize the cost instead.

Regardless of memcg charging, which is more complicated, I think we
should at least move the call to zswap_invalidate() before the slots
cache. I would prefer that we move everything non-swapfile specific
outside the slots cache layer (zswap_invalidate(),
arch_swap_invalidate_page(),  clear_shadow_from_swap_cache(),
mem_cgroup_uncharge_swap(), ..).  However, if some of those are
controversial, we can move some of them for now.

When draining free swap slots from the cache, swap_range_free() is
called with nr_entries == 1 anyway, so I can't see how any batching is
going on. If anything it should help amortize the cost.

>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Huang, Ying


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-11-20 18:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-13 13:06 Zhongkun He
2023-11-13 15:11 ` Nhat Pham
2023-11-14  5:21   ` [External] " 贺中坤
2023-11-14 16:30     ` Nhat Pham
2023-11-15 12:12       ` 贺中坤
2023-11-14 17:16 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-15 12:53   ` [External] " 贺中坤
2023-11-15 20:12     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-16  3:33       ` 贺中坤
2023-11-16  4:09         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-16  4:23           ` 贺中坤
2023-11-16  8:31   ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-16 10:34     ` [External] " 贺中坤
2023-11-16 20:11   ` Chris Li
2023-11-16 20:18     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-16 20:30       ` Chris Li
2023-11-16 20:45         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-17 23:30           ` Chris Li
2023-11-17  9:56         ` [External] " Zhongkun He
2023-11-17 23:47           ` Chris Li
2023-11-18  1:45             ` Zhongkun He
2023-11-18 18:43               ` Nhat Pham
2023-11-19  8:29                 ` Chris Li
2023-11-20  2:42                 ` Zhongkun He
2023-11-19  8:23               ` Chris Li
2023-11-20  3:16                 ` Zhongkun He
2023-11-20  3:18         ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-20  5:31           ` Chris Li
2023-11-20  5:39             ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-20  5:51               ` Chris Li
2023-11-20 18:52           ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2023-11-21  0:54             ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-21  1:15               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-21  1:53                 ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-21  2:46                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-21  3:32                     ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-21  3:37                       ` Yosry Ahmed

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