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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
To: Takero Funaki <flintglass@gmail.com>
Cc: Erhard Furtner <erhard_f@mailbox.org>,
	Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	 Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	 Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	"Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: kswapd0: page allocation failure: order:0, mode:0x820(GFP_ATOMIC), nodemask=(null),cpuset=/,mems_allowed=0 (Kernel v6.5.9, 32bit ppc)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2024 10:41:52 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJD7tkb2b0+4_m0gb8DKSTtRwtC2GMa9NF5RuGKhXJARYHK0gw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPpoddc2vOLdQJ7HwG7x+=oZsTz221+YJcNbUtKvPjA9AyeY2w@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jun 6, 2024 at 10:14 AM Takero Funaki <flintglass@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2024年6月6日(木) 8:42 Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>:
>
> > I think there are multiple ways to go forward here:
> > (a) Make the number of zpools a config option, leave the default as
> > 32, but allow special use cases to set it to 1 or similar. This is
> > probably not preferable because it is not clear to users how to set
> > it, but the idea is that no one will have to set it except special use
> > cases such as Erhard's (who will want to set it to 1 in this case).
> >
> > (b) Make the number of zpools scale linearly with the number of CPUs.
> > Maybe something like nr_cpus/4 or nr_cpus/8. The problem with this
> > approach is that with a large number of CPUs, too many zpools will
> > start having diminishing returns. Fragmentation will keep increasing,
> > while the scalability/concurrency gains will diminish.
> >
> > (c) Make the number of zpools scale logarithmically with the number of
> > CPUs. Maybe something like 4log2(nr_cpus). This will keep the number
> > of zpools from increasing too much and close to the status quo. The
> > problem is that at a small number of CPUs (e.g. 2), 4log2(nr_cpus)
> > will actually give a nr_zpools > nr_cpus. So we will need to come up
> > with a more fancy magic equation (e.g. 4log2(nr_cpus/4)).
> >
>
> I just posted a patch to limit the number of zpools, with some
> theoretical background explained in the code comments. I believe that
> 2 * CPU linearly is sufficient to reduce contention, but the scale can
> be reduced further. All CPUs are trying to allocate/free zswap is
> unlikely to happen.
>  How many concurrent accesses were the original 32 zpools supposed to
> handle? I think it was for 16 cpu or more. or nr_cpus/4 would be
> enough?

We use 32 zpools on machines with 100s of CPUs. Two zpools per CPU is
an overkill imo.

I have further comments that I will leave on the patch, but I mainly
think this should be driven by real data, not theoretical possibility
of lock contention.

>
> --
>
> <flintglass@gmail.com>


  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-06 17:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-08 18:21 Erhard Furtner
2024-05-15 20:45 ` Erhard Furtner
2024-05-15 22:06   ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-01  6:01     ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-01 15:37       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-06  3:11         ` Michael Ellerman
2024-06-06  3:38           ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-06 12:08             ` Michael Ellerman
2024-06-06 16:05               ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-02 18:03       ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-02 20:38         ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-02 21:36           ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-03 22:13         ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-03 23:24           ` Yosry Ahmed
     [not found]             ` <20240604134458.3ae4396a@yea>
2024-06-04 16:11               ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 17:18                 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-04 17:34                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 17:53                     ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-04 18:01                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 21:00                         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-04 21:10                         ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-05  3:03                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-05 23:04                             ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-05 23:41                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-05 23:52                                 ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-05 23:58                                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-06 13:28                                     ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-06 16:42                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-06  2:49                                 ` Chengming Zhou
2024-06-06  4:31                                   ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-06-06  4:46                                     ` Chengming Zhou
2024-06-06  5:43                                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-06-06  5:55                                         ` Chengming Zhou
2024-06-07  9:40                                         ` Nhat Pham
2024-06-07 11:20                                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-06-06  7:24                                 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-06 13:32                                   ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-06 16:53                                     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-06 17:14                                 ` Takero Funaki
2024-06-06 17:41                                   ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2024-06-06 17:55                                     ` Yu Zhao
2024-06-06 18:03                                       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-06-04 22:17                   ` Erhard Furtner
2024-06-04 20:52             ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2024-06-04 20:55               ` Yosry Ahmed

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