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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
To: "Sridhar, Kanchana P" <kanchana.p.sridhar@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/12] crypto: acomp - Define new interfaces for compress/decompress batching.
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 15:24:15 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJD7tkatpOaortT8Si5GfxprvgPR+bzxwTSOR0rsaRUstdqNMQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR11MB5678851E3E6BA49A99D8BAE2C9102@SJ0PR11MB5678.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>

On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 9:37 AM Sridhar, Kanchana P
<kanchana.p.sridhar@intel.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Herbert,
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
> > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2024 3:46 AM
> > To: Sridhar, Kanchana P <kanchana.p.sridhar@intel.com>
> > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org; linux-mm@kvack.org;
> > hannes@cmpxchg.org; yosryahmed@google.com; nphamcs@gmail.com;
> > chengming.zhou@linux.dev; usamaarif642@gmail.com;
> > ryan.roberts@arm.com; 21cnbao@gmail.com; akpm@linux-foundation.org;
> > linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org; davem@davemloft.net; clabbe@baylibre.com;
> > ardb@kernel.org; ebiggers@google.com; surenb@google.com; Accardi,
> > Kristen C <kristen.c.accardi@intel.com>; Feghali, Wajdi K
> > <wajdi.k.feghali@intel.com>; Gopal, Vinodh <vinodh.gopal@intel.com>
> > Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/12] crypto: acomp - Define new interfaces for
> > compress/decompress batching.
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 20, 2024 at 10:31:09PM -0800, Kanchana P Sridhar wrote:
> > > This commit adds get_batch_size(), batch_compress() and
> > batch_decompress()
> > > interfaces to:
> >
> > First of all we don't need a batch compress/decompress interface
> > because the whole point of request chaining is to supply the data
> > in batches.
> >
> > I'm also against having a get_batch_size because the user should
> > be supplying as much data as they're comfortable with.  In other
> > words if the user is happy to give us 8 requests for iaa then it
> > should be happy to give us 8 requests for every implementation.
> >
> > The request chaining interface should be such that processing
> > 8 requests is always better than doing 1 request at a time as
> > the cost is amortised.
>
> Thanks for your comments. Can you please elaborate on how
> request chaining would enable cost amortization for software
> compressors? With the current implementation, a module like
> zswap would need to do the following to invoke request chaining
> for software compressors (in addition to pushing the chaining
> to the user layer for IAA, as per your suggestion on not needing a
> batch compress/decompress interface):
>
> zswap_batch_compress():
>    for (i = 0; i < nr_pages_in_batch; ++i) {
>       /* set up the acomp_req "reqs[i]". */
>       [ ... ]
>       if (i)
>         acomp_request_chain(reqs[i], reqs[0]);
>       else
>         acomp_reqchain_init(reqs[0], 0, crypto_req_done, crypto_wait);
>    }
>
>    /* Process the request chain in series. */
>    err = crypto_wait_req(acomp_do_req_chain(reqs[0], crypto_acomp_compress), crypto_wait);
>
> Internally, acomp_do_req_chain() would sequentially process the
> request chain by:
> 1) adding all requests to a list "state"
> 2) call "crypto_acomp_compress()" for the next list element
> 3) when this request completes, dequeue it from the list "state"
> 4) repeat for all requests in "state"
> 5) When the last request in "state" completes, call "reqs[0]->base.complete()",
>     which notifies crypto_wait.
>
> From what I can understand, the latency cost should be the same for
> processing a request chain in series vs. processing each request as it is
> done today in zswap, by calling:
>
>   comp_ret = crypto_wait_req(crypto_acomp_compress(acomp_ctx->reqs[0]), &acomp_ctx->wait);
>
> It is not clear to me if there is a cost amortization benefit for software
> compressors. One of the requirements from Yosry was that there should
> be no change for the software compressors, which is what I have
> attempted to do in v5.
>
> Can you please help us understand if there is a room for optimizing
> the implementation of the synchronous "acomp_do_req_chain()" API?
> I would also like to get inputs from the zswap maintainers on using
> request chaining for a batching implementation for software compressors.

Is there a functional change in doing so, or just using different
interfaces to accomplish the same thing we do today?


  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-06 23:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-21  6:31 [PATCH v5 00/12] zswap IAA compress batching Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 01/12] crypto: acomp - Add synchronous/asynchronous acomp request chaining Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 02/12] crypto: acomp - Define new interfaces for compress/decompress batching Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-28 11:46   ` Herbert Xu
2025-01-06 17:37     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-01-06 23:24       ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2025-01-07  1:36         ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-01-07  1:46           ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-07  2:06             ` Herbert Xu
2025-01-07  3:10               ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-08  1:38                 ` Herbert Xu
2025-01-08  1:43                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-16  5:17                 ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-20 17:32                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-22  6:26                     ` Barry Song
2025-02-22  6:34                       ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-22  6:41                         ` Barry Song
2025-02-22  6:52                           ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-22  7:13                             ` Barry Song
2025-02-22  7:22                               ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-22  8:21                                 ` Barry Song
2025-02-24 21:49                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-27  3:05                                 ` Barry Song
2025-02-22 12:31                       ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-22 14:27                         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-23  0:14                           ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-23  2:09                             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-23  2:52                               ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-23  3:12                                 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-23  3:38                                   ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-23  4:02                                     ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-23  6:04                                       ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-22 16:24                         ` Barry Song
2025-02-23  0:24                         ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-23  1:57                           ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-07  2:04       ` Herbert Xu
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 03/12] crypto: iaa - Add an acomp_req flag CRYPTO_ACOMP_REQ_POLL to enable async mode Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 04/12] crypto: iaa - Implement batch_compress(), batch_decompress() API in iaa_crypto Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-22  4:07   ` kernel test robot
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 05/12] crypto: iaa - Make async mode the default Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 06/12] crypto: iaa - Disable iaa_verify_compress by default Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 07/12] crypto: iaa - Re-organize the iaa_crypto driver code Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 08/12] crypto: iaa - Map IAA devices/wqs to cores based on packages instead of NUMA Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 09/12] crypto: iaa - Distribute compress jobs from all cores to all IAAs on a package Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 10/12] mm: zswap: Allocate pool batching resources if the crypto_alg supports batching Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-01-07  0:58   ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-08  3:26     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-01-08  4:16       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 11/12] mm: zswap: Restructure & simplify zswap_store() to make it amenable for batching Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-01-07  1:16   ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-08  3:57     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-01-08  4:22       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-12-21  6:31 ` [PATCH v5 12/12] mm: zswap: Compress batching with Intel IAA in zswap_store() of large folios Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-01-07  1:19   ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-07  1:44 ` [PATCH v5 00/12] zswap IAA compress batching Yosry Ahmed

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