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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
To: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
Cc: "Sridhar, Kanchana P" <kanchana.p.sridhar@intel.com>,
	 "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
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	"chengming.zhou@linux.dev" <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	 "usamaarif642@gmail.com" <usamaarif642@gmail.com>,
	"shakeel.butt@linux.dev" <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	 "ryan.roberts@arm.com" <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	"Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	 "21cnbao@gmail.com" <21cnbao@gmail.com>,
	"akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 "Zou, Nanhai" <nanhai.zou@intel.com>,
	"Feghali, Wajdi K" <wajdi.k.feghali@intel.com>,
	 "Gopal, Vinodh" <vinodh.gopal@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 6/8] mm: zswap: Support mTHP swapout in zswap_store().
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2024 14:34:19 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJD7tkasC4n+mE=q+L9cjf4342eSkOQPeeV1wzBKxTp39wnZJA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKEwX=MgpP_w6JFC5ahVN-erCWK2NDGSbxNdLxKg9P4yd01Unw@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 2:08 PM Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2024 at 1:51 PM Sridhar, Kanchana P
> <kanchana.p.sridhar@intel.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > This is an excellent point. Thanks Nhat for catching this! I can see two
> > options to solving this:
> >
> > Option 1: If zswap_mthp_enabled is "false", delete all stored offsets
> > for the mTHP in zswap before exiting. This could race with writeback
> > (either one or more subpages could be written back before zswap_store
> > acquires the tree lock), however, I don't think it will cause data inconsistencies.
> > Any offsets for subpages not written back will be deleted from zswap,
> > zswap_store() will return false, and the backing swap device's subsequent
> > swapout will over-write the zswap write-back data. Could anything go wrong
> > with this?
>
> I think this should be safe, albeit a bit awkward.
>
> At this point (zswap_store()), we should have the folio added to to
> swap cache, and locked. All the associated swap entries will point to
> this same (large) folio.
>
> Any concurrent zswap writeback attempt, even on a tail page, should
> get that folio when it calls __read_swap_cache_async(), and with
> page_allocated == false, and should short circuit.
>
> So I don't think we will race with zswap_writeback().
>
> Yosry, Chengming, Johannes, any thoughts?

Why can't we just handle it the same way as we handle zswap
disablement? If it is disabled, we invalidate any old entries for the
offsets and return false to swapout to disk.

Taking a step back, why do we need the runtime knob and config option?
Are there cases where we think zswapout of mTHPs will perform badly,
or is it just due to lack of confidence in the feature?

>
> >
> > Option 2: Only provide a build config option,
> > CONFIG_ZSWAP_STORE_THP_DEFAULT_ON, that cannot be dynamically changed.
>
> This can be a last resort thing, if the above doesn't work. Not the
> end of the world, but not ideal :)
>
> >
> > Would appreciate suggestions on these, and other potential solutions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Kanchana


  reply	other threads:[~2024-09-24 21:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-09-24  1:17 [PATCH v7 0/8] mm: ZSWAP swap-out of mTHP folios Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-09-24  1:17 ` [PATCH v7 1/8] mm: Define obj_cgroup_get() if CONFIG_MEMCG is not defined Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-09-24 16:45   ` Nhat Pham
2024-09-24  1:17 ` [PATCH v7 2/8] mm: zswap: Modify zswap_compress() to accept a page instead of a folio Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-09-24 16:50   ` Nhat Pham
2024-09-24  1:17 ` [PATCH v7 3/8] mm: zswap: Refactor code to store an entry in zswap xarray Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-09-24 17:16   ` Nhat Pham
2024-09-24 20:40     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-24 19:14   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-24 22:22     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-24  1:17 ` [PATCH v7 4/8] mm: zswap: Refactor code to delete stored offsets in case of errors Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-09-24 17:25   ` Nhat Pham
2024-09-24 20:41     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-24 19:20   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-24 22:32     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-25  0:43       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-25  1:18         ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-25 14:11         ` Johannes Weiner
2024-09-25 18:45           ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-24  1:17 ` [PATCH v7 5/8] mm: zswap: Compress and store a specific page in a folio Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-09-24 19:28   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-24 22:45     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-25  0:47       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-25  1:49         ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-25 13:53           ` Johannes Weiner
2024-09-25 18:45             ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-24  1:17 ` [PATCH v7 6/8] mm: zswap: Support mTHP swapout in zswap_store() Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-09-24 17:33   ` Nhat Pham
2024-09-24 20:51     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-24 21:08       ` Nhat Pham
2024-09-24 21:34         ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2024-09-24 22:16           ` Nhat Pham
2024-09-24 22:18             ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-24 22:28             ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-24 22:17           ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-24 19:38   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-24 20:51     ` Nhat Pham
2024-09-24 21:38       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-24 23:11         ` Nhat Pham
2024-09-25  0:05           ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-25  0:52           ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-24 23:21       ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-24 23:02     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-25 13:40     ` Johannes Weiner
2024-09-25 18:30       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-25 19:10         ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-25 19:49           ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-25 20:49             ` Johannes Weiner
2024-09-25 19:20         ` Johannes Weiner
2024-09-25 19:39           ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-25 20:13             ` Johannes Weiner
2024-09-25 21:06               ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-25 22:29                 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-26  3:58                   ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-26  4:52                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-26 16:40                       ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-26 17:19                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-26 17:29                           ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-26 17:34                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-26 19:36                               ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-26 18:43                             ` Johannes Weiner
2024-09-26 18:45                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-26 19:40                                 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-26 19:39                               ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-25 14:27   ` Johannes Weiner
2024-09-25 18:17     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-25 18:48     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-24  1:17 ` [PATCH v7 7/8] mm: swap: Count successful mTHP ZSWAP stores in sysfs mTHP zswpout stats Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-09-24  1:17 ` [PATCH v7 8/8] mm: Document the newly added mTHP zswpout stats, clarify swpout semantics Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-09-24 17:36   ` Nhat Pham
2024-09-24 20:52     ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-24 19:34 ` [PATCH v7 0/8] mm: ZSWAP swap-out of mTHP folios Yosry Ahmed
2024-09-24 22:50   ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-25  6:35 ` Huang, Ying
2024-09-25 18:39   ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-26  0:44     ` Huang, Ying
2024-09-26  3:48       ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2024-09-26  6:47         ` Huang, Ying
2024-09-26 21:44           ` Sridhar, Kanchana P

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