From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
To: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
Cc: "Sridhar, Kanchana P" <kanchana.p.sridhar@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 02/12] crypto: acomp - Define new interfaces for compress/decompress batching.
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2025 19:10:53 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJD7tkaTuNWF42+CoCLruPZks3F7H9mS=6S74cmXnyWz-2tuPw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Z3yMNI_DbkKBKJxO@gondor.apana.org.au>
On Mon, Jan 6, 2025 at 6:06 PM Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 06, 2025 at 05:46:01PM -0800, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> >
> > For software compressors, the batch size should be 1. In that
> > scenario, from a zswap perspective (without going into the acomp
> > implementation details please), is there a functional difference? If
> > not, we can just use the request chaining API regardless of batching
> > if that is what Herbert means.
>
> If you can supply a batch size of 8 for iaa, there is no reason
> why you can't do it for software algorithms. It's the same
> reason that we have GSO in the TCP stack, regardless of whether
> the hardware can handle TSO.
The main problem is memory usage. Zswap needs a PAGE_SIZE*2-sized
buffer for each request on each CPU. We preallocate these buffers to
avoid trying to allocate this much memory in the reclaim path (i.e.
potentially allocating two pages to reclaim one).
With batching, we need to preallocate N PAGE_SIZE*2-sized buffers on
each CPU instead. For N=8, we are allocating PAGE_SIZE*14 extra memory
on each CPU (56 KB on x86). That cost may be acceptable with IAA
hardware accelerated batching, but not for software compressors that
will end up processing the batch serially anyway.
Does this make sense to you or did I miss something?
>
> The amortisation of the segmentation cost means that it will be
> a win over-all.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Email: Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
> Home Page: http://gondor.apana.org.au/~herbert/
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-07 3:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-12-21 6:31 [PATCH v5 00/12] zswap IAA compress batching Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 01/12] crypto: acomp - Add synchronous/asynchronous acomp request chaining Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 02/12] crypto: acomp - Define new interfaces for compress/decompress batching Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-28 11:46 ` Herbert Xu
2025-01-06 17:37 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-01-06 23:24 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-07 1:36 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-01-07 1:46 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-07 2:06 ` Herbert Xu
2025-01-07 3:10 ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2025-01-08 1:38 ` Herbert Xu
2025-01-08 1:43 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-16 5:17 ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-20 17:32 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-22 6:26 ` Barry Song
2025-02-22 6:34 ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-22 6:41 ` Barry Song
2025-02-22 6:52 ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-22 7:13 ` Barry Song
2025-02-22 7:22 ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-22 8:21 ` Barry Song
2025-02-24 21:49 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-02-27 3:05 ` Barry Song
2025-02-22 12:31 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-22 14:27 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-23 0:14 ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-23 2:09 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-23 2:52 ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-23 3:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-23 3:38 ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-23 4:02 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-02-23 6:04 ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-22 16:24 ` Barry Song
2025-02-23 0:24 ` Herbert Xu
2025-02-23 1:57 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2025-01-07 2:04 ` Herbert Xu
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 03/12] crypto: iaa - Add an acomp_req flag CRYPTO_ACOMP_REQ_POLL to enable async mode Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 04/12] crypto: iaa - Implement batch_compress(), batch_decompress() API in iaa_crypto Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-22 4:07 ` kernel test robot
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 05/12] crypto: iaa - Make async mode the default Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 06/12] crypto: iaa - Disable iaa_verify_compress by default Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 07/12] crypto: iaa - Re-organize the iaa_crypto driver code Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 08/12] crypto: iaa - Map IAA devices/wqs to cores based on packages instead of NUMA Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 09/12] crypto: iaa - Distribute compress jobs from all cores to all IAAs on a package Kanchana P Sridhar
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 10/12] mm: zswap: Allocate pool batching resources if the crypto_alg supports batching Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-01-07 0:58 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-08 3:26 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-01-08 4:16 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 11/12] mm: zswap: Restructure & simplify zswap_store() to make it amenable for batching Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-01-07 1:16 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-08 3:57 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-01-08 4:22 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-12-21 6:31 ` [PATCH v5 12/12] mm: zswap: Compress batching with Intel IAA in zswap_store() of large folios Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-01-07 1:19 ` Yosry Ahmed
2025-01-07 1:44 ` [PATCH v5 00/12] zswap IAA compress batching Yosry Ahmed
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