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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
To: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	 Chengming Zhou <chengming.zhou@linux.dev>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 6/9] mm: zswap: drop support for non-zero same-filled pages handling
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2024 13:23:42 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJD7tkaFmbnt4YNWvgGZHo=-JRu-AsUWvCYCRXVZxOPvcSJRDw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240328193149.GF7597@cmpxchg.org>

On Thu, Mar 28, 2024 at 12:31 PM Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 11:50:14PM +0000, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> > The current same-filled pages handling supports pages filled with any
> > repeated word-sized pattern. However, in practice, most of these should
> > be zero pages anyway. Other patterns should be nearly as common.
> >
> > Drop the support for non-zero same-filled pages, but keep the names of
> > knobs exposed to userspace as "same_filled", which isn't entirely
> > inaccurate.
> >
> > This yields some nice code simplification and enables a following patch
> > that eliminates the need to allocate struct zswap_entry for those pages
> > completely.
> >
> > There is also a very small performance improvement observed over 50 runs
> > of kernel build test (kernbench) comparing the mean build time on a
> > skylake machine when building the kernel in a cgroup v1 container with a
> > 3G limit:
> >
> >               base            patched         % diff
> > real          70.167          69.915          -0.359%
> > user          2953.068        2956.147        +0.104%
> > sys           2612.811        2594.718        -0.692%
> >
> > This probably comes from more optimized operations like memchr_inv() and
> > clear_highpage(). Note that the percentage of zero-filled pages during
> > this test was only around 1.5% on average, and was not affected by this
> > patch. Practical workloads could have a larger proportion of such pages
> > (e.g. Johannes observed around 10% [1]), so the performance improvement
> > should be larger.
> >
> > [1]https://lore.kernel.org/linux-mm/20240320210716.GH294822@cmpxchg.org/
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
>
> This is an interesting direction to pursue, but I actually thinkg it
> doesn't go far enough. Either way, I think it needs more data.
>
> 1) How frequent are non-zero-same-filled pages? Difficult to
>    generalize, but if you could gather some from your fleet, that
>    would be useful. If you can devise a portable strategy, I'd also be
>    more than happy to gather this on ours (although I think you have
>    more widespread zswap use, whereas we have more disk swap.)

I am trying to collect the data, but there are.. hurdles. It would
take some time, so I was hoping the data could be collected elsewhere
if possible.

The idea I had was to hook a BPF program to the entry of
zswap_fill_page() and create a histogram of the "value" argument. We
would get more coverage by hooking it to the return of
zswap_is_page_same_filled() and only updating the histogram if the
return value is true, as it includes pages in zswap that haven't been
swapped in.

However, with zswap_is_page_same_filled() the BPF program will run in
all zswap stores, whereas for zswap_fill_page() it will only run when
needed. Not sure if this makes a practical difference tbh.

>
> 2) The fact that we're doing any of this pattern analysis in zswap at
>    all strikes me as a bit misguided. Being efficient about repetitive
>    patterns is squarely in the domain of a compression algorithm. Do
>    we not trust e.g. zstd to handle this properly?

I thought about this briefly, but I didn't follow through. I could try
to collect some data by swapping out different patterns and observing
how different compression algorithms react. That would be interesting
for sure.

>
>    I'm guessing this goes back to inefficient packing from something
>    like zbud, which would waste half a page on one repeating byte.
>
>    But zsmalloc can do 32 byte objects. It's also a batching slab
>    allocator, where storing a series of small, same-sized objects is
>    quite fast.
>
>    Add to that the additional branches, the additional kmap, the extra
>    scanning of every single page for patterns - all in the fast path
>    of zswap, when we already know that the vast majority of incoming
>    pages will need to be properly compressed anyway.
>
>    Maybe it's time to get rid of the special handling entirely?

We would still be wasting some memory (~96 bytes between zswap_entry
and zsmalloc object), and wasting cycling allocating them. This could
be made up for by cycles saved by removing the handling. We will be
saving some branches for sure. I am not worried about kmap as I think
it's a noop in most cases.

I am interested to see how much we could save by removing scanning for
patterns. We may not save much if we abort after reading a few words
in most cases, but I guess we could also be scanning a considerable
amount before aborting. On the other hand, we would be reading the
page contents into cache anyway for compression, so maybe it doesn't
really matter?

I will try to collect some data about this. I will start by trying to
find out how the compression algorithms handle same-filled pages. If
they can compress it efficiently, then I will try to get more data on
the tradeoff from removing the handling.

Thanks for the insights.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-28 20:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-25 23:50 [RFC PATCH 0/9] zswap: store zero-filled pages more efficiently Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-25 23:50 ` [RFC PATCH 1/9] mm: zswap: always shrink in zswap_store() if zswap_pool_reached_full Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-26 21:49   ` Nhat Pham
2024-03-27  2:21   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-03-28 19:09   ` Johannes Weiner
2024-03-25 23:50 ` [RFC PATCH 2/9] mm: zswap: refactor storing to the tree out of zswap_store() Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-27  2:25   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-03-27 22:29     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-25 23:50 ` [RFC PATCH 3/9] mm: zswap: refactor limit checking from zswap_store() Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-27  2:42   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-03-27 22:30     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-25 23:50 ` [RFC PATCH 4/9] mm: zswap: move more same-filled pages checks outside of zswap_store() Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-26 21:57   ` Nhat Pham
2024-03-27  2:39   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-03-27 22:32     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-25 23:50 ` [RFC PATCH 5/9] mm: zswap: remove zswap_same_filled_pages_enabled Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-26 22:01   ` Nhat Pham
2024-03-27  2:44   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-03-27 22:34     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-28 19:11   ` Johannes Weiner
2024-03-28 20:06     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-29  2:14       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-29 14:02         ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-03-29 17:44           ` Johannes Weiner
2024-03-29 18:22             ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-04-01 10:37               ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2024-04-01 18:29                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-25 23:50 ` [RFC PATCH 6/9] mm: zswap: drop support for non-zero same-filled pages handling Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-27 11:25   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-03-27 16:40   ` Nhat Pham
2024-03-27 22:38     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-28 19:31   ` Johannes Weiner
2024-03-28 20:23     ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2024-03-28 21:07       ` Johannes Weiner
2024-03-28 23:19         ` Nhat Pham
2024-03-29  2:05           ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-29  4:27             ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-29 17:37               ` Johannes Weiner
2024-03-29 18:56                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-29 21:17                   ` Johannes Weiner
2024-03-29 22:29                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-28 23:33       ` Nhat Pham
2024-03-29  2:07         ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-25 23:50 ` [RFC PATCH 7/9] mm: zswap: store zero-filled pages without a zswap_entry Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-28  8:12   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-03-28 18:45     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-28 19:38   ` Johannes Weiner
2024-03-28 20:29     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-25 23:50 ` [RFC PATCH 8/9] mm: zswap: do not check the global limit for zero-filled pages Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-28  8:15   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-03-25 23:50 ` [RFC PATCH 9/9] mm: zswap: use zswap_entry_free() for partially initialized entries Yosry Ahmed
2024-03-28  8:31   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-03-28 18:49     ` Yosry Ahmed

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