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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
To: Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>
Cc: "Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	"Wei Xu" <weixugc@google.com>, "Yu Zhao" <yuzhao@google.com>,
	"Greg Thelen" <gthelen@google.com>,
	"Chun-Tse Shao" <ctshao@google.com>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Brain Geffon" <bgeffon@google.com>,
	"Minchan Kim" <minchan@kernel.org>,
	"Michal Hocko" <mhocko@suse.com>,
	"Mel Gorman" <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	"Huang Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	"Nhat Pham" <nphamcs@gmail.com>,
	"Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Kairui Song" <kasong@tencent.com>,
	"Zhongkun He" <hezhongkun.hzk@bytedance.com>,
	"Kemeng Shi" <shikemeng@huaweicloud.com>,
	"Barry Song" <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	"Chengming Zhou" <zhouchengming@bytedance.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] RFC: zswap tree use xarray instead of RB tree
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2024 09:14:50 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJD7tkYe8XaYpCnyJxcg_W7uD2XpEUqO4LVMBCg-7grmU6DB=A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAF8kJuN0WQ_n0VWub+90rj68UYGoMNG32h8OxbvLgpDrKrB1Hg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 11:28 PM Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Jan 17, 2024 at 11:05 PM Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > The name changes from Chris to Christopher are confusing :D
> >
> > >
> > > I think it makes the review easier. The code adding and removing does
> > > not have much overlap. Combining it to a single patch does not save
> > > patch size. Having the assert check would be useful for some bisecting
> > > to narrow down which step causing the problem. I am fine with squash
> > > it to one patch as well.
> >
> > I think having two patches is unnecessarily noisy, and we add some
> > debug code in this patch that we remove in the next patch anyway.
> > Let's see what others think, but personally I prefer a single patch.
> >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I expect to merge the zswap rb tree spin lock with the xarray
> > > > > lock in the follow up changes.
> > > >
> > > > Shouldn't this simply be changing uses of tree->lock to use
> > > > xa_{lock/unlock}? We also need to make sure we don't try to lock the
> > > > tree when operating on the xarray if the caller is already holding the
> > > > lock, but this seems to be straightforward enough to be done as part
> > > > of this patch or this series at least.
> > > >
> > > > Am I missing something?
> > >
> > > Currently the zswap entry refcount is protected by the zswap tree spin
> > > lock as well. Can't remove the tree spin lock without changing the
> > > refcount code. I think the zswap search entry should just return the
> > > entry with refcount atomic increase, inside the RCU read() or xarray
> > > lock. The previous zswap code does the find_and_get entry() which is
> > > closer to what I want.
> >
> > I think this can be done in an RCU read section surrounding xa_load()
>
> xa_load() already has RCU read lock inside. If you do that you might
> just as well use some XAS API to work with the lock directly.

RCU reda locks are nestable, some users of xa_load() do some in an RCU
read section, also for refcounting purposes. Also, I thought the point
was avoiding the lock in this path.

>
> > and the refcount increment. Didn't look closely to check how much
> > complexity this adds to manage refcounts with RCU, but I think there
> > should be a lot of examples all around the kernel.
>
> The complexity is not adding the refcount inside xa_load(). It is on
> the zswap code that calls zswap_search() and zswap_{insert,erase}().
> As far as I can tell, those codes need some tricky changes to go along
> with the refcount change.

I don't think it should be very tricky.
https://docs.kernel.org/RCU/rcuref.html may have relevant examples,
and there should be examples all over the code.

>
> >
> > IIUC, there are no performance benefits from this conversion until we
> > remove the tree spinlock, right?
>
> The original intent is helping the long tail case. RB tree has worse
> long tails than xarray. I expect it will help the page fault long tail
> even without removing the tree spinlock.

I think it would be better if we can remove the tree spinlock as part
of this change.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-18 17:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-18  3:05 Chris Li
2024-01-18  3:05 ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: zswap.c: add xarray tree to zswap Chris Li
2024-01-18  6:20   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-18 13:52     ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-18 16:59       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-18 18:25         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-19  5:28           ` Chris Li
2024-01-19 19:30             ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-19  5:24     ` Chris Li
2024-01-19 19:29       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-19 20:04         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-01-19 21:41           ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-19 22:05             ` Chris Li
2024-01-19 22:08               ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-18  3:05 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: zswap.c: remove RB tree Chris Li
2024-01-18  6:35   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-18 19:35     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-19  5:49       ` Chris Li
2024-01-19 19:37         ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-19  5:43     ` Chris Li
2024-01-19 19:36       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-19 21:31         ` Chris Li
2024-01-19 21:44           ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-18  6:01 ` [PATCH 0/2] RFC: zswap tree use xarray instead of " Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-18  6:39   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-18  6:57     ` Chengming Zhou
2024-01-18  7:02       ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-18  7:19         ` Chris Li
2024-01-18  7:35           ` Chengming Zhou
2024-01-19  4:59             ` Chris Li
2024-01-19  6:18               ` Chengming Zhou
2024-01-19 10:26                 ` Chris Li
2024-01-19 11:12                   ` Chengming Zhou
2024-01-19 11:59                     ` Chris Li
2024-01-18  6:48   ` Christopher Li
2024-01-18  7:05     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-01-18  7:28       ` Chris Li
2024-01-18 17:14         ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2024-01-18 14:48       ` Johannes Weiner
2024-01-18 18:59     ` Liam R. Howlett
2024-01-19  5:13       ` Chris Li
2024-01-18 18:01 ` Nhat Pham
2024-01-19  5:14   ` Chris Li

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