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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: "Johannes Weiner" <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	"Shakeel Butt" <shakeelb@google.com>, "Tejun Heo" <tj@kernel.org>,
	"Josef Bacik" <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	"Jens Axboe" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	"Zefan Li" <lizefan.x@bytedance.com>,
	"Roman Gushchin" <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	"Muchun Song" <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>,
	"Vasily Averin" <vasily.averin@linux.dev>,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, linux-block@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	bpf@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 4/9] cgroup: rstat: add WARN_ON_ONCE() if flushing outside task context
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 01:53:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJD7tkYEOVRcXs-Ag3mWn69EwE4rjFt9j5MAcTGCNE8BuhTd+A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZCVKqN2nDkkQFvO0@dhcp22.suse.cz>

On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 1:39 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu 30-03-23 01:19:29, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 1:15 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu 30-03-23 01:06:26, Yosry Ahmed wrote:
> > > [...]
> > > > If we achieve that, do you think it makes sense to add
> > > > WARN_ON_ONCE(irqs_disabled()) instead to prevent future users from
> > > > flushing while disabling irqs or in irq context?
> > >
> > > WARN_ON (similar to BUG_ON) will not prevent anybody from doing bad
> > > things. We already have means to shout about sleepable code being
> > > invoked from an atomic context and there is no reason to duplicate that.
> > > As I've said earlier WARN_ON might panic the system in some
> > > configurations (and yes they are used also in production systems - do
> > > not ask me why...). So please be careful about that and use that only
> > > when something really bad (yet recoverable) is going on.
> >
> > Thanks for the information (I was about to ask why about production
> > systems, but okay..). I will avoid WARN_ON completely. For the
> > purposes of this series I will drop this patch anyway.
>
> Thanks! People do strange things sometimes...
>
> > Any idea how to shout about "hey this may take too long, why are you
> > doing it with irqs disabled?!"?
>
> Well we have a hard lockup detector. It hits at a much higher stall by
> default but if you care about IRQ latencies in general then you likely
> want to lower. Another thing would be IRQ tracing. In any case this code
> path shouldn't be any special. Sure it can take long on large systems
> but I bet there are more of those.

We did see hard lockups in extreme cases, and we do have setups with
"nmi_watchdog=panic" that will panic when this happens, so we would
rather catch the code paths that can lead to that before it actually
happens.

Maybe we can add a primitive like might_sleep() for this, just food for thought.

> --
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs


  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-30  8:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-28 22:16 [PATCH v2 0/9] memcg: make rstat flushing irq and sleep Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-28 22:16 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] cgroup: rename cgroup_rstat_flush_"irqsafe" to "atomic" Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-28 22:16 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] memcg: rename mem_cgroup_flush_stats_"delayed" to "ratelimited" Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-29 11:56   ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-28 22:16 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] memcg: do not flush stats in irq context Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-29 11:58   ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-28 22:16 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] cgroup: rstat: add WARN_ON_ONCE() if flushing outside task context Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-29 11:22   ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-29 18:41     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-29 19:20       ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-30  7:06         ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-30  7:13           ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-30  7:49             ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-30  8:06               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-30  8:14                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-30  8:19                   ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-30  8:39                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-30  8:53                       ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2023-03-31 11:02                         ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-31 19:03                           ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-04-03  8:38                             ` Michal Hocko
2023-04-03 20:39                               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-28 22:16 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] memcg: replace stats_flush_lock with an atomic Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-28 22:22   ` Shakeel Butt
2023-03-29 15:58   ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-29 18:45     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-28 22:16 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] memcg: sleep during flushing stats in safe contexts Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-30  7:35   ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-28 22:16 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] workingset: memcg: sleep when flushing stats in workingset_refault() Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-30  7:39   ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-30  7:42     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-30  7:50       ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-30  7:55         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-28 22:16 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] vmscan: memcg: sleep when flushing stats during reclaim Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-30  7:40   ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-30  7:44     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-30  7:52       ` Michal Hocko
2023-03-30  7:54         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-28 22:16 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] memcg: do not modify rstat tree for zero updates Yosry Ahmed
2023-03-30  7:43   ` Michal Hocko

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