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From: Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>
To: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>,
	 akpm@linux-foundation.org, chengming.zhou@linux.dev,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-team@meta.com,  Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] mm: store zero pages to be swapped out in a bitmap
Date: Thu, 30 May 2024 12:49:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAJD7tkYDjmMLnH_2sQuuMLE0FE5YqZEppNsprCnm5RdaSkGEBQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKEwX=NX-4dbietxy-25F-OotuGGL0F9h+hwV76b9Ap5nSy9uw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 12:18 PM Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 9:24 AM Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 5:27 AM Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 30, 2024 at 11:19:07AM +0100, Usama Arif wrote:
> > > > Approximately 10-20% of pages to be swapped out are zero pages [1].
> > > > Rather than reading/writing these pages to flash resulting
> > > > in increased I/O and flash wear, a bitmap can be used to mark these
> > > > pages as zero at write time, and the pages can be filled at
> > > > read time if the bit corresponding to the page is set.
> > > > With this patch, NVMe writes in Meta server fleet decreased
> > > > by almost 10% with conventional swap setup (zswap disabled).
> > > >
> > > > [1]https://lore.kernel.org/all/20171018104832epcms5p1b2232e2236258de3d03d1344dde9fce0@epcms5p1/
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>
> > >
> > > This is awesome.
> > >
> > > > ---
> > > >  include/linux/swap.h |  1 +
> > > >  mm/page_io.c         | 86 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--
> > > >  mm/swapfile.c        | 10 ++++++
> > > >  3 files changed, 95 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/include/linux/swap.h b/include/linux/swap.h
> > > > index a11c75e897ec..e88563978441 100644
> > > > --- a/include/linux/swap.h
> > > > +++ b/include/linux/swap.h
> > > > @@ -299,6 +299,7 @@ struct swap_info_struct {
> > > >       signed char     type;           /* strange name for an index */
> > > >       unsigned int    max;            /* extent of the swap_map */
> > > >       unsigned char *swap_map;        /* vmalloc'ed array of usage counts */
> > > > +     unsigned long *zeromap;         /* vmalloc'ed bitmap to track zero pages */
> > >
> > > One bit per swap slot, so 1 / (4096 * 8) = 0.003% static memory
> > > overhead for configured swap space. That seems reasonable for what
> > > appears to be a fairly universal 10% reduction in swap IO.
> > >
> > > An alternative implementation would be to reserve a bit in
> > > swap_map. This would be no overhead at idle, but would force
> > > continuation counts earlier on heavily shared page tables, and AFAICS
> > > would get complicated in terms of locking, whereas this one is pretty
> > > simple (atomic ops protect the map, swapcache lock protects the bit).
> > >
> > > So I prefer this version. But a few comments below:
> >
> > I am wondering if it's even possible to take this one step further and
> > avoid reclaiming zero-filled pages in the first place. Can we just
> > unmap them and let the first read fault allocate a zero'd page like
> > uninitialized memory, or point them at the zero page and make them
> > read-only, or something? Then we could free them directly without
> > going into the swap code to begin with.
> >
> > That's how I thought about it initially when I attempted to support
> > only zero-filled pages in zswap. It could be a more complex
> > implementation though.
>
> We can aim for this eventually, but yeah the implementation will be
> more complex. We'll need to be careful in handling shared zero pages,
> synchronizing accesses and maintaining reference counts. I think we
> will need to special-case swap cache and swap map for these zero pages
> (a ghost zero swap device perhaps), or reinvent the wheel to manage
> these pieces of information.

Isn't there an existing mechanism to have read-only mappings pointing
at the shared zero page, and do COW? Can't we just use that?

I think this is already what we do for mapped areas that were never
written in some cases (see do_anonymous_page()), so it would be just
like that (i.e. as if the mappings were never written). Someone with
more familiarity with this would know better though.

>
> Not impossible, but annoying :) For now, I think Usama's approach is
> clean enough and does the job.

Yeah, I am not against Usama's approach at all. I just want us to
consider both options before we commit to one. If they are close
enough in complexity, it may be worth avoiding swap completely.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-05-30 19:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-30 10:19 [PATCH 0/2] " Usama Arif
2024-05-30 10:19 ` [PATCH 1/2] " Usama Arif
2024-05-30 12:27   ` Johannes Weiner
2024-05-30 16:24     ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-05-30 19:18       ` Nhat Pham
2024-05-30 19:49         ` Yosry Ahmed [this message]
2024-05-30 20:04       ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-05-30 20:16         ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-05-31 18:18         ` Usama Arif
2024-05-30 16:20   ` Yosry Ahmed
2024-05-30 19:58   ` Andrew Morton
2024-05-30 10:19 ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: remove code to handle same filled pages Usama Arif

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