From: Song Liu <song@kernel.org>
To: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2025 21:32:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHzjS_uqFLEzvU0PTQiXajdFDsjC4gfk0Z4qMoiRQJ2uVPw6BA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aQKLCuX5v5aO3fDa@slm.duckdns.org>
On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 2:45 PM Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 02:37:38PM -0700, Song Liu wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 29, 2025 at 2:27 PM Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org> wrote:
> > > Doesn't that assume that the programs are more or less stateless? Wouldn't
> > > oom handlers want to track historical information, running averages, which
> > > process expanded the most and so on?
> >
> > Yes, this does mean the program needs to store data in some BPF maps.
> > Do we have concern with the performance of BPF maps?
>
> It's just a lot more awkward to do and I have a difficult time thinking up
> reasons why one would need to do that. If you attach a single struct_ops
> instance to one cgroup, you can use global variables, maps, arena to track
> what's happening with the cgroup. If you share the same struct_ops across
> multiple cgroups, each operation has to scope per-cgroup states. I can see
> how that probably makes sense for sockets but cgroups aren't sockets. There
> are a lot fewer cgroups and they are organized in a tree.
If the use case is to attach a single struct_ops to a single cgroup, the author
of that BPF program can always ignore the memcg parameter and use
global variables, etc. We waste a register in BPF ISA to save the pointer to
memcg, but JiT may recover that in native instructions.
OTOH, starting without a memcg parameter, it will be impossible to allow
attaching the same struct_ops to different cgroups. I still think it is a valid
use case that the sysadmin loads a set of OOM handlers for users in the
containers to choose from is a valid use case.
Also, a per cgroup oom handler may need to access the memcg information
anyway. Without a dedicated memcg argument, the user need to fetch it
somewhere else.
Thanks,
Song
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-30 4:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-27 23:17 [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] bpf: move bpf_struct_ops_link into bpf.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 15:57 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 18:01 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 20:26 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 17:22 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 18:03 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 18:19 ` Amery Hung
2025-10-30 19:06 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 21:34 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:42 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 23:14 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 0:05 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:19 ` bpf_st_ops and cgroups. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 23:24 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 3:03 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 6:14 ` Song Liu
2025-10-31 11:35 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 17:37 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 18:14 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 20:25 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 20:36 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:18 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:27 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:37 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:45 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 4:32 ` Song Liu [this message]
2025-10-30 16:13 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 17:56 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:53 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 22:43 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 22:53 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 23:53 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 0:03 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 0:16 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 6:33 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-29 21:04 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 0:43 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] mm: define mem_cgroup_get_from_ino() outside of CONFIG_SHRINKER_DEBUG Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 8:32 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] mm: declare memcg_page_state_output() in memcontrol.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 8:34 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] mm: introduce BPF struct ops for OOM handling Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:57 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:45 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:42 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 22:07 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 22:56 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 21:33 ` Song Liu
2025-10-28 23:24 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 0:20 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 5:57 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-30 14:26 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:02 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:36 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 19:00 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 1:45 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 8:18 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 18:14 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 19:22 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:05 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:09 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:10 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:12 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:03 ` Chris Mason
2025-10-28 18:32 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:42 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:12 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to access memcg statistics and events Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:16 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:08 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 9:31 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 16:48 ` Lance Yang
2025-11-02 20:53 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 18:18 ` Michal Hocko
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