From: Song Liu <song@kernel.org>
To: Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>
Cc: Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
Amery Hung <ameryhung@gmail.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@kernel.org>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
JP Kobryn <inwardvessel@gmail.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, cgroups@vger.kernel.org,
bpf@vger.kernel.org, Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@kernel.org>,
Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2025 17:05:23 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHzjS_ub0KBECge8DhaEZts1aYL5bBFaU=fJ3U+ZV5XdSjq1WQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e027a330-8d51-44e5-badc-7c3ec4d41e23@linux.dev>
On Thu, Oct 30, 2025 at 3:42 PM Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev> wrote:
[...]
>
> The link can be detached (struct_ops's unreg) by the user space.
>
> The link can also be detached from the subsystem (cgroup) here.
> It was requested by scx:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20240530065946.979330-7-thinker.li@gmail.com/
>
> Not sure if scx has started using it.
I see. The user space can poll the link fd, and get notified when the
cgroup is removed.
> >
> >> 3) Move the attachment out of .reg() scope entirely. reg() will register
> >> the implementation system-wide and then some 3rd-party interface
> >> (e.g. cgroupfs) should be used to select the implementation.
> >>
> >> +: ?
> >> -: New hard-coded interfaces might be required to enable bpf-driven
> >> kernel customization. The "attachment" code is not shared between
> >> various struct ops cases.
> >> Implementing stateful struct ops'es is harder and requires passing
> >> an additional argument (some sort of "self") to all callbacks.
> >>
> >> This approach works well for cases when there is already a selection
> >> of implementations (e.g. tcp congestion mechanisms), and bpf is adding
> >> another one.
> >
> > Another benefit of 3) is that it allows loading an OOM controller in a
> > kernel module, just like loading a file system in a kernel module. This
> > is possible with 3) because we paid the cost of adding a new select
> > attach interface.
> >
> > A semi-separate topic, option 2) enables attaching a BPF program
> > to a kernel object (a cgroup here, but could be something else). This
> > is an interesting idea, and we may find it useful in other cases (attach
> > a BPF program to a task_struct, etc.).
>
> Does it have plan for a pure kernel module oom implementation?
> I think the link-to-cgrp support here does not necessary stop the
> later write to cgroupfs support if a kernel module oom is indeed needed
> in the future.
I am not aware of use cases to write OOM handlers in modules. Also
agreed that adding attach to cgroup link doesn't stop us from using
modules in the future.
Thanks,
Song
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-31 0:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-27 23:17 [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 01/23] bpf: move bpf_struct_ops_link into bpf.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 02/23] bpf: initial support for attaching struct ops to cgroups Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 15:57 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 18:01 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 20:26 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 17:22 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 18:03 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 18:19 ` Amery Hung
2025-10-30 19:06 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 21:34 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 22:42 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 23:14 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 0:05 ` Song Liu [this message]
2025-10-30 22:19 ` bpf_st_ops and cgroups. Was: " Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 23:24 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 3:03 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 6:14 ` Song Liu
2025-10-31 11:35 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-31 17:37 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 18:14 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 20:25 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 20:36 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:18 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:27 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 21:37 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:45 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 4:32 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 16:13 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 17:56 ` Song Liu
2025-10-29 21:53 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-29 22:43 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-29 22:53 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-29 23:53 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 0:03 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-30 0:16 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-30 6:33 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-29 21:04 ` Song Liu
2025-10-30 0:43 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 03/23] bpf: mark struct oom_control's memcg field as TRUSTED_OR_NULL Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 04/23] mm: define mem_cgroup_get_from_ino() outside of CONFIG_SHRINKER_DEBUG Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 8:32 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 05/23] mm: declare memcg_page_state_output() in memcontrol.h Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 8:34 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 06/23] mm: introduce BPF struct ops for OOM handling Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:57 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 17:45 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:42 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 22:07 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 22:56 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 21:33 ` Song Liu
2025-10-28 23:24 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-30 0:20 ` Martin KaFai Lau
2025-10-30 5:57 ` Yafang Shao
2025-10-30 14:26 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:02 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:36 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 19:00 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 1:45 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 8:18 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-04 18:14 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-04 19:22 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 07/23] mm: introduce bpf_oom_kill_process() bpf kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:05 ` Michal Hocko
2025-11-02 21:09 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 08/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to deal with memcg pointers Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:10 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:12 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2025-10-28 18:03 ` Chris Mason
2025-10-28 18:32 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-28 17:42 ` Tejun Heo
2025-10-28 18:12 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 09/23] mm: introduce bpf_get_root_mem_cgroup() BPF kfunc Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:17 ` [PATCH v2 10/23] mm: introduce BPF kfuncs to access memcg statistics and events Roman Gushchin
2025-10-27 23:48 ` bot+bpf-ci
2025-10-28 16:16 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-10-31 9:08 ` Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 9:31 ` [PATCH v2 00/23] mm: BPF OOM Michal Hocko
2025-10-31 16:48 ` Lance Yang
2025-11-02 20:53 ` Roman Gushchin
2025-11-03 18:18 ` Michal Hocko
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to='CAHzjS_ub0KBECge8DhaEZts1aYL5bBFaU=fJ3U+ZV5XdSjq1WQ@mail.gmail.com' \
--to=song@kernel.org \
--cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=ameryhung@gmail.com \
--cc=andrii@kernel.org \
--cc=ast@kernel.org \
--cc=bpf@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=cgroups@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=hannes@cmpxchg.org \
--cc=inwardvessel@gmail.com \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
--cc=martin.lau@kernel.org \
--cc=martin.lau@linux.dev \
--cc=memxor@gmail.com \
--cc=mhocko@kernel.org \
--cc=roman.gushchin@linux.dev \
--cc=shakeel.butt@linux.dev \
--cc=surenb@google.com \
--cc=tj@kernel.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox