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From: Byungchul Park <lkml.byungchul.park@gmail.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 kernel_team@skhynix.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
	ying.huang@intel.com,  vernhao@tencent.com,
	mgorman@techsingularity.net, hughd@google.com,
	 willy@infradead.org, david@redhat.com, peterz@infradead.org,
	luto@kernel.org,  tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com,
	bp@alien8.de,  dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, rjgolo@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 09/12] mm: implement LUF(Lazy Unmap Flush) defering tlb flush when folios get unmapped
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2024 11:20:08 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHyrMpzU_f0TbEA6HpuqTFOBY7nHOQGXR3VpOeHzu62zQxvyDw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f17f33e8-1c1f-460f-8c5a-713476f524a3@intel.com>

Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> wrote:
>
> On 5/31/24 11:04, Byungchul Park wrote:
> ...
> > I don't believe you do not agree with the concept itself.  Thing is
> > the current version is not good enough.  I will do my best by doing
> > what I can do.
>
> More performance is good.  I agree with that.
>
> But it has to be weighed against the risk and the complexity.  The more
> I look at this approach, the more I think this is not a good trade off.
> There's a lot of risk and a lot of complexity and we haven't seen the

All the complexity comes from the fact that I can't use a new space in
struct page - that can make the design even lockless.

I agree that keeping things simple is the best but I don't think all the
existing fields in struct page are the result of trying to make things
simple that you love.  Some of them are more complicated.

I'd like to find a better way together instead of yelling "it's unworthy
cuz it's too complicated and there's too little space in mm world to
accommodate new things".

However, for the issues already discussed, I will think about it more
before the next spin.

        Byungchul

> full complexity picture.  The gaps are being fixed by adding complexity
> in new subsystems (the VFS in this case).
>
> There are going to be winners and losers, and this version for example
> makes file writes lose performance.
>
> Just to be crystal clear: I disagree with the concept of leaving stale
> TLB entries in place in an attempt to gain performance.
>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-06-01  2:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-31  9:19 [PATCH v11 00/12] LUF(Lazy Unmap Flush) reducing tlb numbers over 90% Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:19 ` [PATCH v11 01/12] x86/tlb: add APIs manipulating tlb batch's arch data Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:19 ` [PATCH v11 02/12] arm64: tlbflush: " Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:19 ` [PATCH v11 03/12] riscv, tlb: " Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:19 ` [PATCH v11 04/12] x86/tlb, riscv/tlb, mm/rmap: separate arch_tlbbatch_clear() out of arch_tlbbatch_flush() Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:19 ` [PATCH v11 05/12] mm: buddy: make room for a new variable, ugen, in struct page Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:19 ` [PATCH v11 06/12] mm: add folio_put_ugen() to deliver unmap generation number to pcp or buddy Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:19 ` [PATCH v11 07/12] mm: add a parameter, unmap generation number, to free_unref_folios() Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:19 ` [PATCH v11 08/12] mm/rmap: recognize read-only tlb entries during batched tlb flush Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:19 ` [PATCH v11 09/12] mm: implement LUF(Lazy Unmap Flush) defering tlb flush when folios get unmapped Byungchul Park
2024-05-31 16:12   ` Dave Hansen
2024-05-31 18:04     ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-31 21:46       ` Dave Hansen
2024-05-31 22:09         ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-06-01  2:20         ` Byungchul Park [this message]
2024-06-01  7:22         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-03  9:35           ` Byungchul Park
2024-06-03 13:23             ` Dave Hansen
2024-06-03 16:05               ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-03 16:37                 ` Dave Hansen
2024-06-03 17:01                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-06-03 18:00                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-04  8:16                       ` Huang, Ying
2024-06-04  0:34                     ` Byungchul Park
2024-06-10 13:23                       ` Michal Hocko
2024-06-11  0:55                         ` Byungchul Park
2024-06-11 11:55                           ` Michal Hocko
2024-06-14  2:45                             ` Byungchul Park
2024-06-04  1:53               ` Byungchul Park
2024-06-04  4:43                 ` Byungchul Park
2024-06-06  8:33                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-06-14  1:57                 ` Byungchul Park
2024-06-11  9:12               ` Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:19 ` [PATCH v11 10/12] mm: separate move/undo parts from migrate_pages_batch() Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:20 ` [PATCH v11 11/12] mm, migrate: apply luf mechanism to unmapping during migration Byungchul Park
2024-05-31  9:20 ` [PATCH v11 12/12] mm, vmscan: apply luf mechanism to unmapping during folio reclaim Byungchul Park

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