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From: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>
To: linux@dominikbrodowski.net
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 kasan-dev@googlegroups.com, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/2] random: split initialization into early step and later step
Date: Tue, 27 Sep 2022 10:28:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHmME9oGkjAxvoBvWMBRSjFmKLzOdzfcQAB4q3P869BsySSfNg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YzKZnkwCi0UwY/4Q@owl.dominikbrodowski.net>

On Tue, Sep 27, 2022 at 8:35 AM Dominik Brodowski
<linux@dominikbrodowski.net> wrote:
> >  #if defined(LATENT_ENTROPY_PLUGIN)
> >       static const u8 compiletime_seed[BLAKE2S_BLOCK_SIZE] __initconst __latent_entropy;
> > @@ -803,34 +798,46 @@ int __init random_init(const char *command_line)
> >                       i += longs;
> >                       continue;
> >               }
> > -             entropy[0] = random_get_entropy();
> > -             _mix_pool_bytes(entropy, sizeof(*entropy));
> >               arch_bits -= sizeof(*entropy) * 8;
> >               ++i;
> >       }
>
>
> Previously, random_get_entropy() was mixed into the pool ARRAY_SIZE(entropy)
> times.
>
> > +/*
> > + * This is called a little bit after the prior function, and now there is
> > + * access to timestamps counters. Interrupts are not yet enabled.
> > + */
> > +void __init random_init(void)
> > +{
> > +     unsigned long entropy = random_get_entropy();
> > +     ktime_t now = ktime_get_real();
> > +
> > +     _mix_pool_bytes(utsname(), sizeof(*(utsname())));
>
> But now, it's only mixed into the pool once. Is this change on purpose?

Yea, it is. I don't think it's really doing much of use. Before we did
it because it was convenient -- because we simply could. But in
reality mostly what we care about is capturing when it gets to that
point in the execution. For jitter, the actual jitter function
(try_to_generate_entropy()) is better here.

However, before feeling too sad about it, remember that
extract_entropy() is still filling a block with rdtsc when rdrand
fails, the same way as this function was. So it's still in there
anyway.

Jason


  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-27  8:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-26 21:31 Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-09-26 21:31 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] kfence: use better stack hash seed Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-09-27  6:35 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] random: split initialization into early step and later step Dominik Brodowski
2022-09-27  8:28   ` Jason A. Donenfeld [this message]
2022-09-27  8:30     ` Dominik Brodowski
2022-09-27  8:40       ` Jason A. Donenfeld

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