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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 06/11] mm: support GUP-triggered unsharing via FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE (!hugetlb)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 15:20:24 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wjvoTRSb87R-D50yOXqX4mshjiiAyurAKCsdW0_J+sf7A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f271bb98-dfdd-1126-d9b9-3103e4398e00@redhat.com>

On Fri, Dec 17, 2021 at 2:43 PM David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> The pages stay PageAnon(). swap-backed pages simply set a bit IIRC.
> mapcount still applies.

Our code-base is too large for me to remember all the details, but if
we still end up having PageAnon for swapbacked pages, then mapcount
can increase from another process faulting in an pte with that swap
entry.

And mmap_sem doesn't protect against that. Again, page_lock() does.

And taking the page lock was a big performance issue.

One of the reasons that new COW handling is so nice is that you can do
things like

                if (!trylock_page(page))
                        goto copy;

exactly because in the a/b world order, the copy case is always safe.

In your model, as far as I can tell, you leave the page read-only and
a subsequent COW fault _can_ happen, which means that now the
subsequent COW needs to b every very careful, because if it ever
copies a page that was GUP'ed, you just broke the rules.

So COWing too much is a bug (because it breaks the page from the GUP),
but COWing too little is an even worse problem (because it measn that
now the GUP user can see data it shouldn't have seen).

Our old code literally COWed too  little. It's why all those changes
happened in the first place.

This is why I'm pushing that whole story line of

 (1) COW is based purely on refcounting, because that's the only thing
that obviously can never COW too little.

 (2) GUP pre-COWs (the thing I called the "(a)" rule earlier) and then
makes sure to not mark pinned pages COW again (that "(b)" rule).

and here "don't use page_mapcount()" really is about that (1).

You do seem to have kept (1) in that your COW rules don't seem to
change (but maybe I missed it), but because your GUP-vs-COW semantics
are very different indeed, I'm not at all convinced about (2).

            Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-17 23:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-17 11:30 [PATCH v1 00/11] mm: COW fixes part 1: fix the COW security issue for THP and hugetlb David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 11:30 ` [PATCH v1 01/11] seqlock: provide lockdep-free raw_seqcount_t variant David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 17:02   ` Nadav Amit
2021-12-17 17:29     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 17:49       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 18:01         ` Nadav Amit
2021-12-17 21:28   ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-12-17 22:02     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 11:30 ` [PATCH v1 02/11] mm: thp: consolidate mapcount logic on THP split David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 19:06   ` Yang Shi
2021-12-18 14:24   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-12-17 11:30 ` [PATCH v1 03/11] mm: simplify hugetlb and file-THP handling in __page_mapcount() David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 17:16   ` Nadav Amit
2021-12-17 17:30     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 18:06   ` Mike Kravetz
2021-12-17 18:11     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 19:07   ` Yang Shi
2021-12-18 14:31   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-12-17 11:30 ` [PATCH v1 04/11] mm: thp: simlify total_mapcount() David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 19:12   ` Yang Shi
2021-12-18 14:35   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-12-17 11:30 ` [PATCH v1 05/11] mm: thp: allow for reading the THP mapcount atomically via a raw_seqlock_t David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 11:30 ` [PATCH v1 06/11] mm: support GUP-triggered unsharing via FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE (!hugetlb) David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 19:04   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 19:22     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 20:17       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 20:36         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 20:39           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 20:43             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 20:42           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 20:45             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-18 22:52               ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-12-18 23:05                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 20:47           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-17 20:56             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 21:17               ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 21:04             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-18  0:50               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-17 21:15             ` Nadav Amit
2021-12-17 21:20               ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-18  0:50               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-18  1:53               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-18  2:17                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-18  2:42                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-18  3:36                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-18  3:05                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-18  3:30                   ` Nadav Amit
2021-12-18  3:38                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-18 18:42                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-18 21:48                         ` Nadav Amit
2021-12-18 22:53                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-19  0:19                             ` Nadav Amit
2021-12-19  0:35                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-19  6:02                                 ` Nadav Amit
2021-12-19  8:01                                   ` John Hubbard
2021-12-19 11:30                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-19 17:27                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-19 17:44                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-19 17:44                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-19 17:59                                       ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-19 21:12                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-19 21:27                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-19 21:47                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-19 21:53                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-19 22:02                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-19 22:12                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-19 22:26                                                     ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-20 18:37                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-20 18:52                                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-20 19:38                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-20 19:15                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-20 21:02                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-20 21:27                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-21  1:03                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-21  3:29                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-21  8:58                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-21 14:28                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                               ` <303f21d3-42b4-2f11-3f22-28f89f819080@redhat.com>
2021-12-21 23:54                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-21 17:05                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-21 17:40                                               ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-21 18:00                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                                   ` <dda021c8-69ec-c660-46be-793ae345a5bb@redhat.com>
2021-12-21 21:11                                                     ` John Hubbard
2021-12-21 18:07                                                 ` Jan Kara
2021-12-21 18:30                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                                                     ` <d23ede12-5df7-2f28-00fd-ea58d85ae400@redhat.com>
2021-12-21 18:58                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-21 21:16                                                     ` John Hubbard
2021-12-21 19:07                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
     [not found]                                                   ` <3e0868e6-c714-1bf8-163f-389989bf5189@redhat.com>
     [not found]                                                     ` <dfe1c8d5-6fac-9040-0272-6d77bafa6a16@redhat.com>
2021-12-22 12:41                                                       ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                                                         ` <4a28e8a0-2efa-8b5e-10b5-38f1fc143a98@redhat.com>
2021-12-22 14:42                                                           ` Jan Kara
     [not found]                                                             ` <505d3d0f-23ee-0eec-0571-8058b8eedb97@redhat.com>
2021-12-22 16:08                                                               ` Jan Kara
2021-12-22 16:44                                                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-22 18:40                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-23 12:54                                                                   ` Jan Kara
2021-12-23 17:18                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-23  0:21                                                           ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-24  2:53                                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-24  4:53                                                               ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-01-04  0:33                                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-21 23:59                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-12-22 12:44                                                   ` Jan Kara
2021-12-17 20:45     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 20:51       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 20:55         ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 21:36           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 21:47             ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 21:50               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 22:29                 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 22:58                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 23:29                     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 23:53                       ` Nadav Amit
2021-12-18  4:02                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-18  4:52                           ` Nadav Amit
2021-12-18  5:03                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-12-18  5:23                               ` Nadav Amit
2021-12-18 18:37                               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 22:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-17 22:43                 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 23:20                   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2021-12-18  9:57                     ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-18 19:21                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-18 19:52                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-19  8:43                           ` David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 11:30 ` [PATCH v1 07/11] mm: gup: trigger unsharing via FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE when required (!hugetlb) David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 11:30 ` [PATCH v1 08/11] mm: hugetlb: support GUP-triggered unsharing via FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 11:30 ` [PATCH v1 09/11] mm: gup: trigger unsharing via FAULT_FLAG_UNSHARE when required (hugetlb) David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 11:30 ` [PATCH v1 10/11] mm: thp: introduce and use page_trans_huge_anon_shared() David Hildenbrand
2021-12-17 11:30 ` [PATCH v1 11/11] selftests/vm: add tests for the known COW security issues David Hildenbrand

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