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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>
Cc: Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
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	Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,  Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Kirill Tkhai <ktkhai@virtuozzo.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] mm: soft_dirty: userfaultfd: introduce wrprotect_tlb_flush_pending
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 13:29:43 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wjs9v-hp_7HV_TrTmisu7pNX=MwZ62ZV82i0evLhPwS1Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <X/d2DyLfXZmBIreY@redhat.com>

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 12:59 PM Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> The problem is it's not even possible to detect reliably if there's
> really a long term GUP pin because of speculative pagecache lookups.

So none of the normal code _needs_ that any more these days, which is
what I think is so nice. Any pinning will do the COW, and then we have
the logic to make sure it stays writable, and that keeps everything
nicely coherent and is all fairly simple.

And yes, it does mean that if somebody then explicitly write-protects
a page, it may end up being COW'ed after all, but if you first pinned
it, and then started playing with the protections of that page, why
should you be surprised?

So to me, this sounds like a "don't do that then" situation.

Anybody who does page pinning and wants coherency should NOT TOUCH THE
MAPPING IT PINNED.

(And if you do touch it, it's your own fault, and you get to keep both
of the broken pieces)

Now, I do agree that from a QoI standpoint, it would be really lovely
if we actually enforced it. I'm not entirely sure we can, but maybe it
would be reasonable to use that

  mm->has_pinned && page_maybe_dma_pinned(page)

at least as the beginning of a heuristic.

In fact, I do think that "page_maybe_dma_pinned()" could possibly be
made stronger than it is. Because at *THAT* point, we might say "we
know a pinned page always must have a page_mapcount() of 1" - since as
part of pinning it and doing the GUP_PIN, we forced the COW, and then
subsequent fork() operations enforce it too.

So I do think that it might be possible to make that clear_refs code
notice "this page is pinned, I can't mark it WP without the pinning
coherency breaking".

It might not even be hard. But admittedly I'm somewhat handwaving
here, and I might not have thought of some situation.

              Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2021-01-07 21:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 95+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-25  9:25 [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] mm: fix races due to deferred TLB flushes Nadav Amit
2020-12-25  9:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] mm/userfaultfd: fix memory corruption due to writeprotect Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 12:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-04 19:24     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 19:35       ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 20:19         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 20:39           ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-04 21:01             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-04 21:26               ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 18:45                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:05                   ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 19:45                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 20:06                       ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 21:06                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 21:43                           ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05  8:13       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  8:52         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 14:26           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  8:58       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-01-05  9:22         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 17:58         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 15:08   ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05 18:08     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 18:41       ` Peter Xu
2021-01-05 18:55         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:07     ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 19:43       ` Peter Xu
2020-12-25  9:25 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] fs/task_mmu: acquire mmap_lock for write on soft-dirty cleanup Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 15:08   ` Will Deacon
2021-01-05 18:20   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 19:26     ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 20:39       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-05 21:20         ` Yu Zhao
2021-01-05 21:22         ` Nadav Amit
2021-01-05 22:16           ` Will Deacon
2021-01-06  0:29             ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-06  0:02           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04           ` [PATCH 0/2] page_count can't be used to decide when wp_page_copy Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04             ` [PATCH 1/2] mm: proc: Invalidate TLB after clearing soft-dirty page state Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:04             ` [PATCH 2/2] mm: soft_dirty: userfaultfd: introduce wrprotect_tlb_flush_pending Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 20:17               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 20:25                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 20:58                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:29                   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2021-01-07 21:53                     ` John Hubbard
2021-01-07 22:00                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:14                         ` John Hubbard
2021-01-07 22:20                           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:24                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:37                               ` John Hubbard
2021-01-15 11:27                       ` Jan Kara
2021-01-07 22:31                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 22:42                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 23:48                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08  0:25                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 12:48                               ` Will Deacon
2021-01-08 16:14                                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 17:39                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 17:53                                     ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 19:25                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-09  0:12                                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 17:30                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 23:28                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:36               ` kernel test robot
2021-01-07 20:25             ` [PATCH 0/2] page_count can't be used to decide when wp_page_copy Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-07 20:32               ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 21:05                 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:02                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 22:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-07 22:56                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09 19:32                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-01-09 19:46                     ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-15 14:30                       ` Jan Kara
2021-01-07 21:54                 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-07 21:45               ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 13:36                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-08 17:00                   ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-08 18:19                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-08 18:31                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-08 18:38                         ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 23:34                         ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09 19:03                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2021-01-09 19:15                             ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 18:59                       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-01-08 22:43                       ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-09  0:42                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-09  2:50                           ` Andrea Arcangeli
2021-01-11 14:30                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-13 21:56                           ` Jerome Glisse
2021-01-13 23:39                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-14  2:35                               ` Jerome Glisse
2021-01-09  3:49                       ` Hillf Danton
2021-01-11 14:39                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2021-01-05 21:55         ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] fs/task_mmu: acquire mmap_lock for write on soft-dirty cleanup Peter Xu

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