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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Cc: Brian Foster <bfoster@redhat.com>, Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 linux-fsdevel <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-xfs <linux-xfs@vger.kernel.org>,
	 Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Subject: Re: writeback completion soft lockup BUG in folio_wake_bit()
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2022 12:26:35 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wiZvOpaP0DVyqOnspFqpXRaT6q53=gnA2psxnf5dbt7bw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YjNN5SzHELGig+U4@casper.infradead.org>

On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 8:04 AM Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> So how about we do something like this:
>
>  - Make folio_start_writeback() and set_page_writeback() return void,
>    fixing up AFS and NFS.
>  - Add a folio_wait_start_writeback() to use in the VFS
>  - Remove the calls to set_page_writeback() in the filesystems

That sounds lovely, but it does worry me a bit. Not just the odd
'keepwrite' thing, but also the whole ordering between the folio bit
and the tagging bits. Does the ordering possibly matter?

That whole "xyz_writeback_keepwrite()" thing seems odd. It's used in
only one place (the folio version isn't used at all):

  ext4_writepage():

     ext4_walk_page_buffers() fails:
                redirty_page_for_writepage(wbc, page);
                keep_towrite = true;
      ext4_bio_write_page().

which just looks odd. Why does it even try to continue to do the
writepage when the page buffer thing has failed?

In the regular write path (ie ext4_write_begin()), a
ext4_walk_page_buffers() failure is fatal or causes a retry). Why is
ext4_writepage() any different? Particularly since it wants to keep
the page dirty, then trying to do the writeback just seems wrong.

So this code is all a bit odd, I suspect there are decades of "people
continued to do what they historically did" changes, and it is all
worrisome.

Your cleanup sounds like the right thing, but I also think that
getting rid of that 'keepwrite' thing would also be the right thing.
And it all worries me.

            Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2022-03-17 19:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-03-15 19:07 Brian Foster
2022-03-16 20:59 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-16 23:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-17 15:04     ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-17 19:26       ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2022-03-17 21:16         ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-18 13:16           ` Jan Kara
2022-03-18 18:56             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-19 16:23               ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-03-30 15:55                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-03-17 15:31     ` Brian Foster
2022-03-17 13:51   ` Brian Foster
2022-03-18 14:14     ` Brian Foster
2022-03-18 14:45       ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-03-18 18:58         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-20  1:35           ` Dan Williams
2022-10-23 22:38             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-24 19:39               ` Tim Chen
2022-10-24 19:43                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-24 20:14                   ` Dan Williams
2022-10-24 20:13               ` Dan Williams
2022-10-24 20:28                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-24 20:35                   ` Dan Williams
2022-10-25 15:58                     ` Arechiga Lopez, Jesus A
2022-10-25 19:19                   ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-10-25 19:20                     ` Linus Torvalds

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