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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,  Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>, Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>,
	 Andreas Hindborg <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-efi@vger.kernel.org,
	 ocfs2-devel@lists.linux.dev, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	 Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	 linux-usb@vger.kernel.org, Paul Moore <paul@paul-moore.com>,
	 Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
	 Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHES][RFC] the meat of tree-in-dcache series
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2025 09:26:27 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wiXPnY9vWFC87sHudSDYY+wpfTrs-uxd7DBypeE+15Y0g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250920074156.GK39973@ZenIV>

On Sat, 20 Sept 2025 at 00:42, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
>
> The branch is -rc5-based; it lives in
> git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/viro/vfs.git #work.persistency

I reacted to the "d_make_persistent() + dput()" pattern, and wondered
if it should just use the refcount that the caller has, but it does
look like that alternate approach would just result in a
"d_make_persistent(dget()))" pattern instead.

And I guess you already get the lock for d_make_persistent(), so it's
better to do the dget while having it - but arguably that is also true
for the dput().

I think you did pick the right model, with d_make_persistent() taking
a ref, and d_make_discardable() releasing it, but this series did make
me think that the refcounting on the caller side is a bit odd.

Because some places would clearly want a "d_make_persistent_and_put()"
function. But probably not worth the extra interface.

Anyway, apart from that I only had one reaction: I think
d_make_discardable() should have a

        WARN_ON(!(dentry->d_flags & DCACHE_PERSISTENT))

because without that I think it can mistakenly be used as some kind of
"dput that always takes the dentry lock", which seems bad.

Or was that intentional for some reason?

Talking about WARN_ON() - please don't add new BUG_ON() cases. I
realize that those will never trigger, but *if* they were to trigger,
some of them would do so during early boot and be a pain for people to
ever even report to us.

BUG_ON() really should be shunned. I think it makes sense to you and
for automated testing, but it really is absolutely *horrendously* bad
for the case where the code hits actual users.

                 Linus


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-20 16:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-20  7:41 Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47 ` [PATCH 01/39] new helper: simple_remove_by_name() Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 02/39] new helper: simple_done_creating() Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 03/39] introduce a flag for explicitly marking persistently pinned dentries Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 04/39] primitives for maintaining persisitency Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 05/39] convert simple_{link,unlink,rmdir,rename,fill_super}() to new primitives Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 06/39] convert ramfs and tmpfs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 07/39] procfs: make /self and /thread_self dentries persistent Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 08/39] configfs, securityfs: kill_litter_super() not needed Al Viro
2025-09-24 16:56     ` Joel Becker
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 09/39] convert xenfs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 10/39] convert smackfs Al Viro
2025-09-22 15:11     ` Casey Schaufler
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 11/39] convert hugetlbfs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 12/39] convert mqueue Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 13/39] convert bpf Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 14/39] convert dlmfs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 15/39] convert fuse_ctl Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 16/39] convert pstore Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 17/39] convert tracefs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 18/39] convert debugfs Al Viro
2025-09-23  8:10     ` Greg KH
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 19/39] debugfs: remove duplicate checks in callers of start_creating() Al Viro
2025-09-23  8:10     ` Greg KH
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 20/39] convert efivarfs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 21/39] convert spufs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 22/39] convert ibmasmfs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 23/39] ibmasmfs: get rid of ibmasmfs_dir_ops Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 24/39] convert devpts Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 25/39] binderfs: use simple_start_creating() Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 26/39] binderfs_binder_ctl_create(): kill a bogus check Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 27/39] convert binderfs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 28/39] autofs_{rmdir,unlink}: dentry->d_fsdata->dentry == dentry there Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 29/39] convert autofs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 30/39] convert binfmt_misc Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 31/39] convert selinuxfs Al Viro
2025-09-21 20:44     ` Paul Moore
2025-09-21 22:26       ` Al Viro
2025-09-22  2:50         ` Paul Moore
2025-09-22  3:52           ` Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 32/39] functionfs: switch to simple_remove_by_name() Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 33/39] convert functionfs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 34/39] gadgetfs: switch to simple_remove_by_name() Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 35/39] convert gadgetfs Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 36/39] hypfs: don't pin dentries twice Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 37/39] hypfs: switch hypfs_create_str() to returning int Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 38/39] hypfs: swich hypfs_create_u64() " Al Viro
2025-09-20  7:47   ` [PATCH 39/39] convert hypfs Al Viro
2025-09-20 16:26 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2025-09-20 18:09   ` [PATCHES][RFC] the meat of tree-in-dcache series Al Viro

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