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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 02/35] compiler-context-analysis: Add infrastructure for Context Analysis with Clang
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2025 10:14:34 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=whyKteNtcLON-gScv6tu8ssvKWdNw-k371ufDrjOv374g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251120145835.3833031-4-elver@google.com>

On Thu, 20 Nov 2025 at 07:13, Marco Elver <elver@google.com> wrote:
>
> --- a/include/linux/compiler-context-analysis.h
> +++ b/include/linux/compiler-context-analysis.h
> @@ -6,27 +6,465 @@
>  #ifndef _LINUX_COMPILER_CONTEXT_ANALYSIS_H
>  #define _LINUX_COMPILER_CONTEXT_ANALYSIS_H
>
> +#if defined(WARN_CONTEXT_ANALYSIS)

Note the 400+ added lines to this header...

And then note how the header gets used:

> +++ b/scripts/Makefile.context-analysis
> @@ -0,0 +1,7 @@
> +# SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> +
> +context-analysis-cflags := -DWARN_CONTEXT_ANALYSIS             \
> +       -fexperimental-late-parse-attributes -Wthread-safety    \
> +       -Wthread-safety-pointer -Wthread-safety-beta
> +
> +export CFLAGS_CONTEXT_ANALYSIS := $(context-analysis-cflags)

Please let's *not* do it this way, where the header contents basically
get enabled or not based on a compiler flag, but then everybody
includes this 400+ line file whether they need it or not.

Can we please just make the header file *itself* not have any
conditionals, and what happens is that the header file is included (or
not) using a pattern something like

   -include $(srctree)/include/linux/$(context-analysis-header)

instead.

IOW, we'd have three different header files entirely: the "no context
analysis", the "sparse" and the "clang context analysis" header, and
instead of having a "-DWARN_CONTEXT_ANALYSIS" define, we'd just
include the appropriate header automatically.

We already use that "-include" pattern for <linux/kconfig.h> and
<linux/compiler-version.h>. It's probably what we should have done for
<linux/compiler.h> and friends too.

The reason I react to things like this is that I've actually seen just
the parsing of header files being a surprisingly big cost in build
times. People think that optimizations are expensive, and yes, some of
them really are, but when a lot of the code we parse is never actually
*used*, but just hangs out in header files that gets included by
everybody, the parsing overhead tends to be noticeable. There's a
reason why most C compilers end up integrating the C pre-processor: it
avoids parsing and tokenizing things multiple times.

The other reason is that I often use "git grep" for looking up
definitions of things, and when there are multiple definitions of the
same thing, I actually find it much more informative when they are in
two different files than when I see two different definitions (or
declarations) in the same file and then I have to go look at what the
#ifdef condition is. In contrast, when it's something where there are
per-architecture definitions, you *see* that, because the grep results
come from different header files.

I dunno. This is not a huge deal, but I do think that it would seem to
be much simpler and more straightforward to treat this as a kind of "N
different baseline header files" than as "include this one header file
in everything, and then we'll have #ifdef's for the configuration".

Particularly when that config is not even a global config, but a per-file one.

Hmm? Maybe there's some reason why this suggestion is very
inconvenient, but please at least consider it.

              Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2025-11-20 18:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-11-20 14:49 [PATCH v4 00/35] Compiler-Based Context- and Locking-Analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 01/35] compiler_types: Move lock checking attributes to compiler-context-analysis.h Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 02/35] compiler-context-analysis: Add infrastructure for Context Analysis with Clang Marco Elver
2025-11-20 18:14   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2025-11-20 23:51     ` Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 03/35] compiler-context-analysis: Add test stub Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 04/35] Documentation: Add documentation for Compiler-Based Context Analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 14:49 ` [PATCH v4 05/35] checkpatch: Warn about context_unsafe() without comment Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09 ` [PATCH v4 06/35] cleanup: Basic compatibility with context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 07/35] lockdep: Annotate lockdep assertions for " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 08/35] locking/rwlock, spinlock: Support Clang's " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 09/35] compiler-context-analysis: Change __cond_acquires to take return value Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 10/35] locking/mutex: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 11/35] locking/seqlock: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 12/35] bit_spinlock: Include missing <asm/processor.h> Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 13/35] bit_spinlock: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 14/35] rcu: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 15/35] srcu: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 16/35] kref: Add context-analysis annotations Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 17/35] locking/rwsem: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 18/35] locking/local_lock: Include missing headers Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 19/35] locking/local_lock: Support Clang's context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 20/35] locking/ww_mutex: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 21/35] debugfs: Make debugfs_cancellation a context guard struct Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 22/35] compiler-context-analysis: Remove Sparse support Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 23/35] compiler-context-analysis: Remove __cond_lock() function-like helper Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 24/35] compiler-context-analysis: Introduce header suppressions Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 25/35] compiler: Let data_race() imply disabled context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 26/35] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for Context Analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 27/35] kfence: Enable context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 28/35] kcov: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 29/35] kcsan: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 30/35] stackdepot: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 31/35] rhashtable: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 32/35] printk: Move locking annotation to printk.c Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 33/35] security/tomoyo: Enable context analysis Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:09   ` [PATCH v4 34/35] crypto: " Marco Elver
2025-11-20 15:10   ` [PATCH v4 35/35] sched: Enable context analysis for core.c and fair.c Marco Elver

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