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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>
Cc: david@redhat.com, patches@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org,  linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pmladek@suse.com,
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	dave@stgolabs.net,  willy@infradead.org, vbabka@suse.cz,
	mhocko@suse.com,  dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
	colin.i.king@gmail.com, jim.cromie@gmail.com,
	 catalin.marinas@arm.com, jbaron@akamai.com,
	rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 5/6] debugfs: add debugfs_create_atomic64_t for atomic64_t
Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2023 08:26:18 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=whH+OsAY+9qLc9Hz+-W8u=dvD3NLWHemOQpZPcgZa52fA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230405022702.753323-6-mcgrof@kernel.org>

On Tue, Apr 4, 2023 at 7:27 PM Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org> wrote:
>
> Sometimes you want to add debugfs entries for atomic counters which
> can be pretty large using atomic64_t. Add support for these.

So I realize why you use atomic64, but I really suspect you'd be
better off with just the regular "atomic_long".

This is not some debug stat that we care deeply about on 32-bit, and
"atomic64" is often really really nasty on 32-bit architectures.

For example, on x86, instead of being a single instruction, it ends up
being a cmpxchg loop. In fact, even a single atomic read is a cmpxchg
(admittedly without the need for looping).

And yeah, I realize that we don't have a "atomic_long" debugfs
interface either. But I think we could just use atomic_long for the
module code (avoiding all the horrors of 64-bit atomics on 32-bit
architectures), and then using just 'var->counter' for the value. It's
not like the debugfs stuff actually does any truly atomic updates.

So something like

        debugfs_create_ulong(... &val->counter ..);

instead of

        debugfs_create_atomic64(... &val ..);

Hmm?

I dunno. I just think this is not something that may be worth
introducing a new thing for, when it is *so* painful on 32-bit, and
doesn't seem worth it.

                   Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2023-04-05 15:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-04-05  2:26 [PATCH v2 0/6] module: avoid userspace pressure on unwanted allocations Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-05  2:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/6] module: fix kmemleak annotations for non init ELF sections Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-05  6:52   ` Song Liu
2023-04-11 15:17   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-04-11 17:06     ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-05  2:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/6] module: move finished_loading() Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-05 17:06   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-05 19:55     ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-05  2:26 ` [PATCH v2 3/6] module: extract patient module check into helper Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-05 17:11   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-05 19:45     ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-05  2:27 ` [PATCH v2 4/6] module: avoid allocation if module is already present and ready Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-05  2:27 ` [PATCH v2 5/6] debugfs: add debugfs_create_atomic64_t for atomic64_t Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-05 15:26   ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2023-04-05 16:04     ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-05 16:11       ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-05 16:23         ` Linus Torvalds
2023-04-05 16:53           ` Luis Chamberlain
2023-04-06  8:15             ` David Laight
2023-04-06 13:38               ` Christophe Leroy
2023-04-06 13:48                 ` David Laight
2023-04-06 14:14                   ` David Hildenbrand
2023-04-05  2:27 ` [PATCH v2 6/6] module: add debug stats to help identify memory pressure Luis Chamberlain

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