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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>
Cc: "Jason A. Donenfeld" <Jason@zx2c4.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, patches@lists.linux.dev,
	 tglx@linutronix.de, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,  x86@kernel.org,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	 Adhemerval Zanella Netto <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,
	"Carlos O'Donell" <carlos@redhat.com>,
	 Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	 Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <dhildenb@redhat.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v22 1/4] mm: add MAP_DROPPABLE for designating always lazily freeable mappings
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2024 22:07:03 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wh=vzhiDSNaLJdmjkhLqevB8+rhE49pqh0uBwhsV=1ccQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bf51a483-8725-4222-937f-3d6c66876d34@redhat.com>

On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 at 21:46, David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> Maybe we can find ways of simply never marking these pages dirty, so we
> don't have to special-case that code where we don't really have a VMA at
> hand?

That's one option. Jason's patch basically goes "ignore folio dirty
bit for these pages".

Your suggestion basically says "don't turn folios dirty in the first place".

It's mainly the pte_dirty games in mm/vmscan.c that does it
(walk_pte_range), but also the tear-down in mm/memory.c
(zap_present_folio_ptes). Possibly others that I didn't think of.

Both do have access to the vma, although in the case of
walk_pte_range() we don't actually pass it down because we haven't
needed it).

There's also page_vma_mkclean_one(), try_to_unmap_one() and
try_to_migrate_one().  And possibly many others I haven't even thought
about.

So quite a few places that do that "transfer dirty bit from pte to folio".

The other approach might be to just let all the dirty handling happen
- make droppable pages have a "page->mapping" (and not be anonymous),
and have the mapping->a_ops->writepage() just always return success
immediately.

That might actually be a conceptually simpler model. MAP_DROPPABLE
becomes a shared mapping that just has a really cheap writeback that
throws the data away. No need to worry about swap cache or anything
like that, because that's just for anonymous pages.

I say "conceptually simpler", because right now the patch does depend
on just using the regular anon page faulting etc code.

                 Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2024-07-11  5:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20240709130513.98102-1-Jason@zx2c4.com>
2024-07-09 13:05 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-10  3:27   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-10  4:05     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11  0:44       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11  4:32         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11  4:46           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11  5:07             ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2024-07-11 17:09               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 17:17                 ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 17:24                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 17:27                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 17:54                       ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 17:56                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 18:08                           ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 18:24                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 18:54                               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 18:56                                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 19:18                                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 19:20                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 19:49                                       ` Yu Zhao
2024-07-11 19:52                                         ` Yu Zhao
2024-07-11 19:53                                         ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 19:58                                           ` Yu Zhao
2024-07-11 20:59                                             ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 20:20                                         ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 20:59                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 17:49                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 17:57                 ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-11 19:07                   ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 19:17                     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-07-11 19:22                       ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-11 20:07                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 20:17                     ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2024-07-11 22:29     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-07-12  1:21       ` Jason A. Donenfeld

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