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[209.85.167.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v1sm255667lfp.215.2021.09.22.13.21.37 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:21:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lf1-f41.google.com with SMTP id t10so16885377lfd.8 for ; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:21:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:1250:: with SMTP id h16mr1340109ljh.68.1632342097278; Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:21:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Linus Torvalds Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2021 13:21:21 -0700 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: Subject: Re: Folios for 5.15 request - Was: re: Folio discussion recap - To: Matthew Wilcox Cc: Chris Mason , Kent Overstreet , Johannes Weiner , "linux-mm@kvack.org" , linux-fsdevel , "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" , Andrew Morton , "Darrick J. Wong" , Christoph Hellwig , David Howells Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Authentication-Results: imf10.hostedemail.com; dkim=pass header.d=linux-foundation.org header.s=google header.b=KB4oJUW1; spf=pass (imf10.hostedemail.com: domain of torvalds@linuxfoundation.org designates 209.85.167.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=torvalds@linuxfoundation.org; dmarc=none X-Rspamd-Server: rspam06 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 869D66001999 X-Stat-Signature: h9cgrpsfadq3dkg7x61oo33cshrywjbp X-HE-Tag: 1632342106-209796 X-Bogosity: Ham, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.4 Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org Precedence: bulk X-Loop: owner-majordomo@kvack.org List-ID: On Wed, Sep 22, 2021 at 12:56 PM Matthew Wilcox wrote: > > The continued silence from Linus is really driving me to despair. No need to despair. The silence isn't some "deep" thing. What happened is literally that I wasn't 100% happy with the naming, but didn't hate the patches, and still don't. But when there is still active discussion about them during the merge window, I'm just not going to merge them. The silence literally is just due to that - not participating in the discussion for the simple reason that I had no hugely strong opinions on my side - but also simply because there is no way I'd merge this for 5.15 simply exactly _because_ of this discussion. Normally I get to clean up my inbox the week after the merge window, but the -Werror things kept my attention for one extra week, and so my mailbox has been a disaster area as a result. So only today does my inbox start to look reasonable again after the merge window (not because of the extra email during the merge window, but simply because the merge window causes me to ignore non-pull emails, and then I need to go back and check the other stuff afterwards). So I'm not particularly unhappy with the patchset. I understand where it is coming from, I have no huge technical disagreement with it personally. That said, I'm not hugely _enthused_ about the mm side of it either, which is why I also wouldn't just override the discussion and say "that's it, I'm merging it". I basically wanted to see if it led somewhere. I'm not convinced it led anywhere, but that didn't really change things for me, except for the "yeah, I'm not merging something core like this while it's under active discussion" part. Linus