From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de>
Cc: Kiryl Shutsemau <kirill@shutemov.name>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/filemap: Implement fast short reads
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2025 21:13:28 -1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgw8oZwA6k8rVuzczkZUP26P2MAtFmM4k8TqdtfDr9eTg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <zuzs6ucmgxujim4fb67tw5izp3w2t5k6dzk2ktntqyuwjva73d@tqgwkk6stpgz>
On Tue, 21 Oct 2025 at 21:08, Pedro Falcato <pfalcato@suse.de> wrote:
>
> I think we may still have a problematic (rare, possibly theoretical) race here where:
>
> T0 T1 T3
> filemap_read_fast_rcu() | |
> folio = xas_load(&xas); | |
> /* ... */ | /* truncate or reclaim frees folio, bumps delete |
> | seq */ | folio_alloc() from e.g secretmem
> | | set_direct_map_invalid_noflush(!!)
> memcpy_from_file_folio() | |
>
> We may have to use copy_from_kernel_nofault() here? Or is something else stopping this from happening?
Explain how the sequence count doesn't catch this?
We read the sequence count before we do the xas_load(), and we verify
it after we've done the memcpy_from_folio.
The whole *point* is that the copy itself is not race-free. That's
*why* we do the sequence count.
And only after the sequence count has been verified do we then copy
the result to user space.
So the "maybe this buffer content is garbage" happens, but it only
happens in the temporary kernel on-stack buffer, not visibly to the
user.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-10-22 7:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-10-17 14:15 Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-18 2:38 ` kernel test robot
2025-10-18 3:54 ` kernel test robot
2025-10-18 4:46 ` kernel test robot
2025-10-18 17:56 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-20 11:03 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-20 4:53 ` Andrew Morton
2025-10-20 11:33 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-21 15:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-21 23:39 ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-22 4:25 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-22 8:00 ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-22 15:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-23 7:50 ` Dave Chinner
2025-10-23 9:37 ` Jan Kara
2025-10-21 15:47 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-22 7:08 ` Pedro Falcato
2025-10-22 7:13 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2025-10-22 7:38 ` Pedro Falcato
2025-10-22 10:00 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-22 17:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 10:31 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 10:54 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 11:09 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 12:08 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 11:10 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 11:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 11:40 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 11:49 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-23 12:41 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2025-10-23 17:42 ` Yang Shi
2025-10-27 10:49 ` Hugh Dickins
2025-10-27 15:50 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-27 16:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-10-27 16:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-10-27 16:53 ` David Hildenbrand
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