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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
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Subject: Re: mm: delay rmap removal until after TLB flush
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2022 14:34:51 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHk-=wgvx5sDaOfCTMkVpZ9+-iFCeh5AOML5aJG1EiR0+e1aBQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8a1e97c9-bd5-7473-6da8-2aa75198fbe8@google.com>

[ Editing down to just the bare-bones problem cases ]

On Sun, Nov 6, 2022 at 1:06 PM Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:
>
> anon_vma (bad)
> --------------
>
> See folio_lock_anon_vma_read(): folio_mapped() plays a key role in
> establishing the continued validity of an anon_vma.  See comments
> above folio_get_anon_vma(), some by me but most by PeterZ IIRC.
>
> I believe what has happened is that your patchset has, very intentionally,
> kept the page as "folio_mapped" until after free_pgtables() does its
> unlink_anon_vmas(); but that is telling folio_lock_anon_vma_read()
> that the anon_vma is safe to use when actually it has been freed.
> (It looked like a page table when I peeped at it.)
>
> I'm not certain, but I think that you made page_zap_pte_rmap() handle
> anon as well as file, just for the righteous additional simplification;
> but I'm afraid that (without opening a huge anon_vma refcounting can of
> worms) that unification has to be reverted, and anon left to go the
> same old way it did before.

Indeed. I made them separate initially, just because the only case
that mattered for the dirty bit was the file-mapped case.

But then the two functions ended up being basically the identical
function, so I unified them again.

But the anonvma lifetime issue looks very real, and so doing the
"delay rmap only for file mappings" seems sane.

In fact, I wonder if we should delay it only for *dirty* file
mappings, since it doesn't matter for the clean case.

Hmm.

I already threw away my branch (since Andrew picked the patches up),
so a question for Andrew: do you want me to re-do the branch entirely,
or do you want me to just send you an incremental patch?

To make for minimal changes, I'd drop the 're-unification' patch, and
then small updates to the zap_pte_range() code to keep the anon (and
possibly non-dirty) case synchronous.

And btw, this one is interesting: for anonymous (and non-dirty
file-mapped) patches, we actually can end up delaying the final page
free (and the rmap zapping) all the way to "tlb_finish_mmu()".

Normally we still have the vma's all available, but yes,
free_pgtables() can and does happen before the final TLB flush.

The file-mapped dirty case doesn't have that issue - not just because
it doesn't have an anonvma at all, but because it also does that
"force_flush" thing that just measn that the page freeign never gets
delayed that far in the first place.

> mm-unstable (bad)
> -----------------
> Aside from that PageAnon issue, mm-unstable is in an understandably bad
> state because you could not have foreseen my subpages_mapcount addition
> to page_remove_rmap().  page_zap_pte_rmap() now needs to handle the
> PageCompound (but not the "compound") case too.  I rushed you and akpm
> an emergency patch for that on Friday night, but you, let's say, had
> reservations about it.  So I haven't posted it, and while the PageAnon
> issue remains, I think your patchset has to be removed from mm-unstable
> and linux-next anyway.

So I think I'm fine with your patch, I just want to move the memcg
accounting to outside of it.

I can re-do my series on top of mm-unstable, I guess. That's probably
the easiest way to handle this all.

Andrew - can you remove those patches again, and I'll create a new
series for you?

                 Linus


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-06 22:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 143+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-22 11:14 [PATCH 00/13] Clean up pmd_get_atomic() and i386-PAE Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 01/13] mm: Update ptep_get_lockless()s comment Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-24  5:42   ` John Hubbard
2022-10-24  8:00     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-24 19:58       ` Jann Horn
2022-10-24 20:19         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-24 20:23           ` Jann Horn
2022-10-24 20:36             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-25  3:21             ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-10-25  7:54               ` Alistair Popple
2022-10-25 13:33                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-25 13:44                 ` Jann Horn
2022-10-26  0:45                   ` Alistair Popple
2022-10-25 14:02         ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-25 14:18           ` Jann Horn
2022-10-25 15:06             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-26 16:45               ` Jann Horn
2022-10-27  7:08                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-27 18:13                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-27 19:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-27 19:43                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-27 20:15                     ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-27 20:31                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-27 21:44                         ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-28 23:57                           ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-29  0:42                             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-29 18:05                               ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-29 18:36                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-29 18:58                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-29 19:14                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-29 19:28                                       ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-30  0:18                                       ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-30  2:17                                     ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-30 18:19                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-30 18:51                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-30 22:47                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-31  1:47                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-31  4:09                                               ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-31  4:55                                                 ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-31  5:00                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-31 15:43                                                   ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-31 17:32                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-31  9:36                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-31 17:28                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-31 18:43                                                   ` mm: delay rmap removal until after TLB flush Linus Torvalds
2022-11-02  9:14                                                     ` Christian Borntraeger
2022-11-02  9:23                                                       ` Christian Borntraeger
2022-11-02 17:55                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-02 18:28                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-02 22:29                                                         ` Gerald Schaefer
2022-11-02 12:45                                                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-02 22:31                                                     ` Gerald Schaefer
2022-11-02 23:13                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-03  9:52                                                     ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-03 16:54                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-03 17:09                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-03 17:36                                                           ` David Hildenbrand
2022-11-04  6:33                                                     ` Alexander Gordeev
2022-11-04 17:35                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-06 21:06                                                         ` Hugh Dickins
2022-11-06 22:34                                                           ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2022-11-06 23:14                                                             ` Andrew Morton
2022-11-07  0:06                                                               ` Stephen Rothwell
2022-11-07 16:19                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-07 23:02                                                                 ` Andrew Morton
2022-11-07 23:44                                                                   ` Stephen Rothwell
2022-11-07  9:12                                                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-07 20:07                                                           ` Johannes Weiner
2022-11-07 20:29                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-07 23:47                                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-08  4:28                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-08 19:56                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-08 20:03                                                                     ` Konstantin Ryabitsev
2022-11-08 20:18                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-08 19:41                                                                 ` [PATCH 1/4] mm: introduce 'encoded' page pointers with embedded extra bits Linus Torvalds
2022-11-08 20:37                                                                   ` Nadav Amit
2022-11-08 20:46                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-09  6:36                                                                   ` Alexander Gordeev
2022-11-09 18:00                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-09 20:02                                                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-08 19:41                                                                 ` [PATCH 2/4] mm: teach release_pages() to take an array of encoded page pointers too Linus Torvalds
2022-11-08 19:41                                                                 ` [PATCH 3/4] mm: mmu_gather: prepare to gather encoded page pointers with flags Linus Torvalds
2022-11-08 19:41                                                                 ` [PATCH 4/4] mm: delay page_remove_rmap() until after the TLB has been flushed Linus Torvalds
2022-11-08 21:05                                                                   ` Nadav Amit
2022-11-09 15:53                                                                   ` Johannes Weiner
2022-11-09 19:31                                                                     ` Hugh Dickins
2022-10-31  9:39                                               ` [PATCH 01/13] mm: Update ptep_get_lockless()s comment Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-31 17:22                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-31  9:46                                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-31  9:28                                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-31 17:19                                               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-30 19:34                                         ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-29 19:39                                   ` John Hubbard
2022-10-29 20:15                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-29 20:30                                       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-29 20:42                                         ` John Hubbard
2022-10-29 20:56                                       ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-29 21:03                                         ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-29 21:12                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-29 20:59                                       ` Theodore Ts'o
2022-10-26 19:43               ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-27  7:27                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-27 17:30                   ` Nadav Amit
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 02/13] x86/mm/pae: Make pmd_t similar to pte_t Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 03/13] sh/mm: " Peter Zijlstra
2022-12-21 13:54   ` Guenter Roeck
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 04/13] mm: Fix pmd_read_atomic() Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 17:30   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-24  8:09     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-01 12:41     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-01 17:42       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 05/13] mm: Rename GUP_GET_PTE_LOW_HIGH Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 06/13] mm: Rename pmd_read_atomic() Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 07/13] mm/gup: Fix the lockless PMD access Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-23  0:42   ` Hugh Dickins
2022-10-24  7:42     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-25  3:58       ` Hugh Dickins
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 08/13] x86/mm/pae: Dont (ab)use atomic64 Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 09/13] x86/mm/pae: Use WRITE_ONCE() Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 17:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-24 10:21     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 10/13] x86/mm/pae: Be consistent with pXXp_get_and_clear() Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 17:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-10-24 11:13     ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 11/13] x86_64: Remove pointless set_64bit() usage Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 17:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-03 19:09   ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-11-03 19:23     ` Uros Bizjak
2022-11-03 19:35       ` Nathan Chancellor
2022-11-03 20:39         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-03 21:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-04 16:01           ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-04 17:15             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-11-05 13:29               ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-11-05 15:14                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-11-05 20:54                   ` Jason A. Donenfeld
2022-11-07  9:14                   ` David Laight
2022-12-19 15:44               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 12/13] x86/mm/pae: Get rid of set_64bit() Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 11:14 ` [PATCH 13/13] mm: Remove pointless barrier() after pmdp_get_lockless() Peter Zijlstra
2022-10-22 19:59   ` Yu Zhao
2022-10-22 17:57 ` [PATCH 00/13] Clean up pmd_get_atomic() and i386-PAE Linus Torvalds
2022-10-29 12:21 ` Peter Zijlstra

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