From: Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: "Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill@shutemov.name>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@gmail.com>,
Linux FS-devel Mailing List <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
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Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Darrick J. Wong" <djwong@kernel.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: Mapcount of subpages
Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2021 14:54:51 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHbLzkrELUKR2saOkA9_EeAyZwdboSq0HN6rhmCg2qxwSjdzbg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <72cc2691-5ebe-8b56-1fe8-eeb4eb4a4c74@google.com>
On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 2:10 PM Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2021, Kirill A. Shutemov wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 12:40:14PM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 01:15:16AM -0400, Kent Overstreet wrote:
> > > > On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 04:23:12AM +0100, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> > > > > (compiling that list reminds me that we'll need to sort out mapcount
> > > > > on subpages when it comes time to do this. ask me if you don't know
> > > > > what i'm talking about here.)
> > > >
> > > > I am curious why we would ever need a mapcount for just part of a page, tell me
> > > > more.
> > >
> > > I would say Kirill is the expert here. My understanding:
> > >
> > > We have three different approaches to allocating 2MB pages today;
> > > anon THP, shmem THP and hugetlbfs. Hugetlbfs can only be mapped on a
> > > 2MB boundary, so it has no special handling of mapcount [1]. Anon THP
> > > always starts out as being mapped exclusively on a 2MB boundary, but
> > > then it can be split by, eg, munmap(). If it is, then the mapcount in
> > > the head page is distributed to the subpages.
> >
> > One more complication for anon THP is that it can be shared across fork()
> > and one process may split it while other have it mapped with PMD.
> >
> > > Shmem THP is the tricky one. You might have a 2MB page in the page cache,
> > > but then have processes which only ever map part of it. Or you might
> > > have some processes mapping it with a 2MB entry and others mapping part
> > > or all of it with 4kB entries. And then someone truncates the file to
> > > midway through this page; we split it, and now we need to figure out what
> > > the mapcount should be on each of the subpages. We handle this by using
> > > ->mapcount on each subpage to record how many non-2MB mappings there are
> > > of that specific page and using ->compound_mapcount to record how many 2MB
> > > mappings there are of the entire 2MB page. Then, when we split, we just
> > > need to distribute the compound_mapcount to each page to make it correct.
> > > We also have the PageDoubleMap flag to tell us whether anybody has this
> > > 2MB page mapped with 4kB entries, so we can skip all the summing of 4kB
> > > mapcounts if nobody has done that.
> >
> > Possible future complication comes from 1G THP effort. With 1G THP we
> > would have whole hierarchy of mapcounts: 1 PUD mapcount, 512 PMD
> > mapcounts and 262144 PTE mapcounts. (That's one of the reasons I don't
> > think 1G THP is viable.)
> >
> > Note that there are places where exact mapcount accounting is critical:
> > try_to_unmap() may finish prematurely if we underestimate mapcount and
> > overestimating mapcount may lead to superfluous CoW that breaks GUP.
>
> It is critical to know for sure when a page has been completely unmapped:
> but that does not need ptes of subpages to be accounted in the _mapcount
> field of subpages - they just need to be counted in the compound page's
> total_mapcount.
>
> I may be wrong, I never had time to prove it one way or the other: but
> I have a growing suspicion that the *only* reason for maintaining tail
> _mapcounts separately, is to maintain the NR_FILE_MAPPED count exactly
> (in the face of pmd mappings overlapping pte mappings).
>
> NR_FILE_MAPPED being used for /proc/meminfo's "Mapped:" and a couple
> of other such stats files, and for a reclaim heuristic in mm/vmscan.c.
>
> Allow ourselves more slack in NR_FILE_MAPPED accounting (either count
> each pte as if it mapped the whole THP, or don't count a THP's ptes
> at all - you opted for the latter in the "Mlocked:" accounting),
> and I suspect subpage _mapcount could be abandoned.
AFAIK, partial THP unmap may need the _mapcount information of every
subpage otherwise the deferred split can't know what subpages could be
freed.
>
> But you have a different point in mind when you refer to superfluous
> CoW and GUP: I don't know the score there (and I think we are still in
> that halfway zone, since pte CoW was changed to depend on page_count,
> but THP CoW still depending on mapcount).
>
> Hugh
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-09-23 21:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-23 1:21 Struct page proposal Kent Overstreet
2021-09-23 3:23 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-09-23 5:15 ` Kent Overstreet
2021-09-23 11:40 ` Mapcount of subpages Matthew Wilcox
2021-09-23 12:45 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-09-23 21:10 ` Hugh Dickins
2021-09-23 21:54 ` Yang Shi [this message]
2021-09-23 22:23 ` Zi Yan
2021-09-23 23:48 ` Hugh Dickins
2021-09-24 0:25 ` Zi Yan
2021-09-24 0:57 ` Hugh Dickins
2021-09-24 1:11 ` Yang Shi
2021-09-24 1:31 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-09-24 3:26 ` Yang Shi
2021-09-24 23:05 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2021-09-23 18:56 ` Mike Kravetz
2021-09-23 9:03 ` Struct page proposal David Hildenbrand
2021-09-23 15:22 ` Kent Overstreet
2021-09-23 15:34 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-09-27 17:48 ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-09-27 17:53 ` Kent Overstreet
2021-09-27 18:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-27 20:45 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-09-27 18:05 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-09-27 18:09 ` Kent Overstreet
2021-09-27 18:12 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-09-27 18:16 ` David Hildenbrand
2021-09-27 18:53 ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-09-27 19:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2021-09-27 18:16 ` Kent Overstreet
2021-09-28 3:19 ` Matthew Wilcox
2021-09-27 19:07 ` Vlastimil Babka
2021-09-27 20:14 ` Kent Overstreet
2021-09-28 11:21 ` David Laight
2021-09-27 18:33 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
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