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From: KOSAKI Motohiro <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com>
To: Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>
Cc: Anton Vorontsov <anton.vorontsov@linaro.org>,
	Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
	Leonid Moiseichuk <leonid.moiseichuk@nokia.com>,
	John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linaro-kernel@lists.linaro.org, patches@linaro.org,
	kernel-team@android.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] vmevent: Implement special low-memory attribute
Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 01:42:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAHGf_=q1nbu=3cnfJ4qXwmngMPB-539kg-DFN2FJGig8+dRaNw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOJsxLHQcDZSHJZg+zbptqmT9YY0VTkPd+gG_zgMzs+HaV_cyA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:19 PM, KOSAKI Motohiro
> <kosaki.motohiro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Even more, we may introduce two attributes:
>>>
>>> RECLAIMABLE_CACHE_PAGES and
>>> RECLAIMABLE_CACHE_PAGES_NOIO (which excludes dirty pages).
>>>
>>> This makes ABI detached from the mm internals and still keeps a
>>> defined meaning of the attributes.
>>
>> Collection of craps are also crap. If you want to improve userland
>> notification, you should join VM improvement activity. You shouldn't
>> think nobody except you haven't think userland notification feature.
>>
>> The problem is, Any current kernel vm statistics were not created for
>> such purpose and don't fit.
>>
>> Even though, some inaccurate and incorrect statistics fit _your_ usecase,
>> they definitely don't fit other. And their people think it is bug.
>
> Well, yeah, if we are to report _number of pages_, the numbers better
> be meaningful.
>
> That said, I think you are being unfair to Anton who's one of the few
> that's actually taking the time to implement this properly instead of
> settling for an out-of-tree hack.

Unfair? But only I can talk about technical comment. To be honest, I
really dislike
I need say the same explanation again and again. A lot of people don't read
past discussion. And as far as the patches take the same mistake, I must say
the same thing. It is just PITA.

I don't disagree vmevent notification itself, but I must disagree lie
notification.
And also, To make just idea statistics doesn't make sense at all. How do an
application choose the right events? If that depend on hardware configuration,
userland developers can't write proper applications.

That's the reason why I often disagree at random new features.

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-08  5:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 94+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-01 13:24 [PATCH 0/3] vmevent: Implement 'low memory' attribute Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-01 13:25 ` [PATCH 1/3] vmevent: Implement equal-to attribute state Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-01 13:25 ` [PATCH 2/3] vmevent: Pass attr argument to sampling functions Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-01 13:26 ` [PATCH 3/3] vmevent: Implement special low-memory attribute Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-03 10:33   ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-04  4:26   ` Minchan Kim
2012-05-04  7:38     ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-07  7:14       ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-07  8:26         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-07 12:15           ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-07 19:19             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08  0:31               ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-08  5:20               ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-08  5:42                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro [this message]
2012-05-08  5:53                   ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-08  7:11                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08  7:36                       ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-08  7:50                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08  8:03                           ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-08  9:15                             ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-05-08  9:19                               ` Pekka Enberg
2012-05-08 10:38                                 ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-01 12:21                         ` [PATCH 0/5] Some vmevent fixes Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-01 12:24                           ` [PATCH 1/5] vmstat: Implement refresh_vm_stats() Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-05 14:30                             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-06-08  3:17                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-01 12:24                           ` [PATCH 2/5] vmevent: Convert from deferred timer to deferred work Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  3:25                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  6:58                               ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  7:03                                 ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-08  8:07                                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  7:05                                 ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  7:10                                   ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  7:18                                     ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  7:23                                       ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  7:28                                         ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  7:33                                           ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  7:49                                             ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  7:58                                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  8:16                                     ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  8:41                                       ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  8:57                                         ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08 10:35                                           ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08 11:03                                             ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08 12:13                                               ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08 12:25                                                 ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-01 12:24                           ` [PATCH 3/5] vmevent: Refresh vmstats before sampling Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-05 14:36                             ` Christoph Lameter
2012-06-01 12:24                           ` [PATCH 4/5] vmevent: Hide meaningful names from the user-visible header Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-01 12:24                           ` [PATCH 5/5] vmevent: Rename one-shot mode to edge trigger mode Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-03 18:26                           ` [PATCH 0/5] Some vmevent fixes Pekka Enberg
2012-06-04  8:45                             ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-04  9:20                               ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-04 12:23                                 ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-04 11:38                               ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-04 12:17                                 ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-04 13:35                                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-05  7:53                                     ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-05  8:00                                       ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-05  8:01                                         ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-05  8:16                                           ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-05  8:27                                             ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-08  3:35                                             ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-04 20:05                                 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-04 22:39                                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  3:45                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  6:57                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-05  7:47                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-05  8:39                                     ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-07  2:41                                       ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-08  7:49                                         ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08  8:43                                           ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-08  8:48                                             ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-08  9:12                                               ` leonid.moiseichuk
2012-06-08  9:45                                                 ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-08 10:42                                                   ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-08 11:14                                                     ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-06-11  4:50                                                       ` Minchan Kim
2012-06-05  7:52                                   ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-08  3:55                                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  6:54                                       ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-08  6:57                                         ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-06-08  6:59                                           ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-04 19:50                               ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08  8:32                       ` [PATCH 3/3] vmevent: Implement special low-memory attribute Minchan Kim
2012-05-08  9:27                         ` Pekka Enberg
2012-06-05 14:40                       ` Christoph Lameter
2012-05-08  6:58                   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-08  7:16                     ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08  8:13                       ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-08  8:21                         ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-03  8:10 ` [PATCH 0/3] vmevent: Implement 'low memory' attribute Pekka Enberg
2012-05-03  9:44   ` Anton Vorontsov
2012-05-03 10:54 ` Pekka Enberg

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