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From: Michael Stapelberg <stapelberg+linux@google.com>
To: Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,  linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,  Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>,
	Dennis Zhou <dennis@kernel.org>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	 Roman Gushchin <guro@fb.com>,
	Johannes Thumshirn <johannes.thumshirn@wdc.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,  Song Liu <song@kernel.org>,
	David Sterba <dsterba@suse.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] backing_dev_info: introduce min_bw/max_bw limits
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 11:20:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH9Oa-YxeZ25Vbto3NyUw=RK5vQWv_v7xp3vHS9667iJJ8XV_A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJfpegu0prjjHVhBzwZBVk5N+avHvUcyi4ovhKbf+F7GEuVkmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Miklos

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 16:42, Miklos Szeredi <miklos@szeredi.hu> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 10:31, Michael Stapelberg
> <stapelberg+linux@google.com> wrote:
>
> > Maybe, but I don’t have the expertise, motivation or time to
> > investigate this any further, let alone commit to get it done.
> > During our previous discussion I got the impression that nobody else
> > had any cycles for this either:
> > https://lore.kernel.org/linux-fsdevel/CANnVG6n=ySfe1gOr=0ituQidp56idGARDKHzP0hv=ERedeMrMA@mail.gmail.com/
> >
> > Have you had a look at the China LSF report at
> > http://bardofschool.blogspot.com/2011/?
> > The author of the heuristic has spent significant effort and time
> > coming up with what we currently have in the kernel:
> >
> > """
> > Fengguang said he draw more than 10K performance graphs and read even
> > more in the past year.
> > """
> >
> > This implies that making changes to the heuristic will not be a quick fix.
>
> Having a piece of kernel code sitting there that nobody is willing to
> fix is certainly not a great situation to be in.

Agreed.

>
> And introducing band aids is not going improve the above situation,
> more likely it will prolong it even further.

Sounds like “Perfect is the enemy of good” to me: you’re looking for a
perfect hypothetical solution,
whereas we have a known-working low risk fix for a real problem.

Could we find a solution where medium-/long-term, the code in question
is improved,
perhaps via a Summer Of Code project or similar community efforts,
but until then, we apply the patch at hand?

As I mentioned, I think adding min/max limits can be useful regardless
of how the heuristic itself changes.

If that turns out to be incorrect or undesired, we can still turn the
knobs into a no-op, if removal isn’t an option.

Thanks
Best regards
Michael


  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-21  9:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-17  9:53 Michael Stapelberg
2021-06-18  8:18 ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-06-18  8:31   ` Michael Stapelberg
2021-06-18  9:12     ` Hillf Danton
2021-06-18 14:41     ` Miklos Szeredi
2021-06-21  9:20       ` Michael Stapelberg [this message]
2021-06-22 12:12         ` Jan Kara
2021-06-22 12:29           ` Michael Stapelberg

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