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From: Alice Ryhl <aliceryhl@google.com>
To: Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>
Cc: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	 "GONG, Ruiqi" <gongruiqi@huaweicloud.com>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	 Pekka Enberg <penberg@kernel.org>,
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	 Joonsoo Kim <iamjoonsoo.kim@lge.com>,
	jvoisin <julien.voisin@dustri.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	 Hyeonggon Yoo <42.hyeyoo@gmail.com>,
	Xiu Jianfeng <xiujianfeng@huawei.com>,
	 Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Kent Overstreet <kent.overstreet@linux.dev>,
	 Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	Matteo Rizzo <matteorizzo@google.com>,
	Thomas Graf <tgraf@suug.ch>,
	 Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
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	linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
	 rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 4/6] mm/slab: Introduce kmem_buckets_create() and family
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 11:06:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAH5fLggjrbdUuT-H-5vbQfMazjRDpp2+k3=YhPyS17ezEqxwcw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c5934f76-3ce8-466e-80d1-c56ebb5a158e@suse.cz>

On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 10:40 AM Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz> wrote:
>
> On 6/28/24 7:35 AM, Boqun Feng wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 10:43:39PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> >> On 6/20/24 8:54 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 03:56:27PM +0200, Vlastimil Babka wrote:
> >> >> > @@ -549,6 +549,11 @@ void *kmem_cache_alloc_lru_noprof(struct kmem_cache *s, struct list_lru *lru,
> >> >> >
> >> >> >  void kmem_cache_free(struct kmem_cache *s, void *objp);
> >> >> >
> >> >> > +kmem_buckets *kmem_buckets_create(const char *name, unsigned int align,
> >> >> > +                                 slab_flags_t flags,
> >> >> > +                                 unsigned int useroffset, unsigned int usersize,
> >> >> > +                                 void (*ctor)(void *));
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd drop the ctor, I can't imagine how it would be used with variable-sized
> >> >> allocations.
> >> >
> >> > I've kept it because for "kmalloc wrapper" APIs, e.g. devm_kmalloc(),
> >> > there is some "housekeeping" that gets done explicitly right now that I
> >> > think would be better served by using a ctor in the future. These APIs
> >> > are variable-sized, but have a fixed size header, so they have a
> >> > "minimum size" that the ctor can still operate on, etc.
> >> >
> >> >> Probably also "align" doesn't make much sense since we're just
> >> >> copying the kmalloc cache sizes and its implicit alignment of any
> >> >> power-of-two allocations.
> >> >
> >> > Yeah, that's probably true. I kept it since I wanted to mirror
> >> > kmem_cache_create() to make this API more familiar looking.
> >>
> >> Rust people were asking about kmalloc alignment (but I forgot the details)
> >
> > It was me! The ask is whether we can specify the alignment for the
> > allocation API, for example, requesting a size=96 and align=32 memory,
> > or the allocation API could do a "best alignment", for example,
> > allocating a size=96 will give a align=32 memory. As far as I
> > understand, kmalloc() doesn't support this.
>
> Hm yeah we only have guarantees for power-or-2 allocations.
>
> >> so maybe this could be useful for them? CC rust-for-linux.
> >>
> >
> > I took a quick look as what kmem_buckets is, and seems to me that align
> > doesn't make sense here (and probably not useful in Rust as well)
> > because a kmem_buckets is a set of kmem_caches, each has its own object
> > size, making them share the same alignment is probably not what you
> > want. But I could be missing something.
>
> How flexible do you need those alignments to be? Besides the power-of-two
> guarantees, we currently have only two odd sizes with 96 and 192. If those
> were guaranteed to be aligned 32 bytes, would that be sufficient? Also do
> you ever allocate anything smaller than 32 bytes then?
>
> To summarize, if Rust's requirements can be summarized by some rules and
> it's not completely ad-hoc per-allocation alignment requirement (or if it
> is, does it have an upper bound?) we could perhaps figure out the creation
> of rust-specific kmem_buckets to give it what's needed?

Rust's allocator API can take any size and alignment as long as:

1. The alignment is a power of two.
2. The size is non-zero.
3. When you round up the size to the next multiple of the alignment,
then it must not overflow the signed type isize / ssize_t.

What happens right now is that when Rust wants an allocation with a
higher alignment than ARCH_SLAB_MINALIGN, then it will increase size
until it becomes a power of two so that the power-of-two guarantee
gives a properly aligned allocation.

Alice


  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-28  9:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-06-19 19:33 [PATCH v5 0/6] slab: Introduce dedicated bucket allocator Kees Cook
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 1/6] mm/slab: Introduce kmem_buckets typedef Kees Cook
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 2/6] mm/slab: Plumb kmem_buckets into __do_kmalloc_node() Kees Cook
2024-06-20 13:08   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-20 13:37     ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-20 18:46       ` Kees Cook
2024-06-20 20:44         ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-20 18:41     ` Kees Cook
2024-06-21  9:37   ` Markus Elfring
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 3/6] mm/slab: Introduce kvmalloc_buckets_node() that can take kmem_buckets argument Kees Cook
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 4/6] mm/slab: Introduce kmem_buckets_create() and family Kees Cook
2024-06-20 13:56   ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-20 18:54     ` Kees Cook
2024-06-20 20:43       ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-28  5:35         ` Boqun Feng
2024-06-28  8:40           ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-28  9:06             ` Alice Ryhl [this message]
2024-06-28  9:17               ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-28  9:34                 ` Alice Ryhl
2024-06-28 15:47           ` Kees Cook
2024-06-28 16:53             ` Vlastimil Babka
2024-06-20 22:48   ` Andi Kleen
2024-06-20 23:29     ` Kees Cook
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 5/6] ipc, msg: Use dedicated slab buckets for alloc_msg() Kees Cook
2024-06-19 19:33 ` [PATCH v5 6/6] mm/util: Use dedicated slab buckets for memdup_user() Kees Cook

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