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From: Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik@gmail.com>
To: Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>
Cc: Dennis Zhou <dennis@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tj@kernel.org,  cl@linux.com,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, shakeelb@google.com,
	 linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/2] execve scalability issues, part 1
Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2023 18:10:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGudoHFvGwcQ+8JOjwR3B=KtHiVqC1=eiNgGv33z29443VJdFg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230823154728.rpkw6fpwvwqbnnh3@quack3>

On 8/23/23, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz> wrote:
> I didn't express myself well. Sure atomics are expensive compared to plain
> arithmetic operations. But I wanted to say - we had atomics for RSS
> counters before commit f1a7941243 ("mm: convert mm's rss stats into
> percpu_counter") and people seemed happy with it until there were many CPUs
> contending on the updates. So maybe RSS counters aren't used heavily enough
> for the difference to practically matter? Probably operation like faulting
> in (or unmapping) tmpfs file has the highest chance of showing the cost of
> rss accounting compared to the cost of the remainder of the operation...
>

These stats used to be decentralized by storing them in task_struct,
the commit complains about values deviating too much.

The value would get synced every 64 uses, from the diff:
-/* sync counter once per 64 page faults */
-#define TASK_RSS_EVENTS_THRESH (64)
-static void check_sync_rss_stat(struct task_struct *task)
-{
-       if (unlikely(task != current))
-               return;
-       if (unlikely(task->rss_stat.events++ > TASK_RSS_EVENTS_THRESH))
-               sync_mm_rss(task->mm);
-}

other than that it was a non-atomic update in struct thread.

-static void add_mm_counter_fast(struct mm_struct *mm, int member, int val)
-{
-       struct task_struct *task = current;
-
-       if (likely(task->mm == mm))
-               task->rss_stat.count[member] += val;
-       else
-               add_mm_counter(mm, member, val);
-}

So the question is how much does this matter. My personal approach is
that avoidable slowdowns (like atomics here) only facilitate further
avoidable slowdowns as people can claim there is a minuscule change in
% to baseline. But if the baseline is already slow....

Anyhow, I just found that patch failed to completely remove
SPLIT_RSS_COUNTING. I'm going to submit something about that later.

-- 
Mateusz Guzik <mjguzik gmail.com>


  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-23 16:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-21 20:28 Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-21 20:28 ` [PATCH 1/2] pcpcntr: add group allocation/free Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-22 13:37   ` Vegard Nossum
2023-08-22 14:06     ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-22 17:02   ` Dennis Zhou
2023-08-21 20:28 ` [PATCH 2/2] fork: group allocation of per-cpu counters for mm struct Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-21 21:20   ` Matthew Wilcox
2023-08-21 20:42 ` [PATCH 0/2] execve scalability issues, part 1 Matthew Wilcox
2023-08-21 20:44   ` [PATCH 1/7] mm: Make folios_put() the basis of release_pages() Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-08-21 20:44     ` [PATCH 2/7] mm: Convert free_unref_page_list() to use folios Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-08-21 20:44     ` [PATCH 3/7] mm: Add free_unref_folios() Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-08-21 20:44     ` [PATCH 4/7] mm: Use folios_put() in __folio_batch_release() Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-08-21 20:44     ` [PATCH 5/7] memcg: Add mem_cgroup_uncharge_batch() Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-08-21 20:44     ` [PATCH 6/7] mm: Remove use of folio list from folios_put() Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-08-21 20:44     ` [PATCH 7/7] mm: Use free_unref_folios() in put_pages_list() Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)
2023-08-21 21:07 ` [PATCH 0/2] execve scalability issues, part 1 Dennis Zhou
2023-08-21 21:39   ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-21 22:29     ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-22  9:51       ` Jan Kara
2023-08-22 14:24         ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-23  9:49           ` Jan Kara
2023-08-23 10:49             ` David Laight
2023-08-23 12:01               ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-23 12:13             ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-23 15:47               ` Jan Kara
2023-08-23 16:10                 ` Mateusz Guzik [this message]
2023-08-23 16:41                   ` Jan Kara
2023-08-23 17:12                     ` Mateusz Guzik
2023-08-23 20:27             ` Dennis Zhou
2023-08-24  9:19               ` Jan Kara
2023-08-26 18:33 ` Mateusz Guzik

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