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From: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
To: Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com>
Cc: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 0/2] mTHP-friendly compression in zsmalloc and zram based on multi-pages
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 09:31:09 +1300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGsJ_4yuZLOE0_yMOZj=KkRTyTotHw4g5g-t91W=MvS5zA4rYw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28446805-f533-44fe-988a-71dcbdb379ab@gmail.com>

On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 5:43 AM Usama Arif <usamaarif642@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 08/11/2024 06:51, Barry Song wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 6:23 PM Huang, Ying <ying.huang@intel.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, Barry,
> >>
> >> Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> From: Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>
> >>>
> >>> When large folios are compressed at a larger granularity, we observe
> >>> a notable reduction in CPU usage and a significant improvement in
> >>> compression ratios.
> >>>
> >>> mTHP's ability to be swapped out without splitting and swapped back in
> >>> as a whole allows compression and decompression at larger granularities.
> >>>
> >>> This patchset enhances zsmalloc and zram by adding support for dividing
> >>> large folios into multi-page blocks, typically configured with a
> >>> 2-order granularity. Without this patchset, a large folio is always
> >>> divided into `nr_pages` 4KiB blocks.
> >>>
> >>> The granularity can be set using the `ZSMALLOC_MULTI_PAGES_ORDER`
> >>> setting, where the default of 2 allows all anonymous THP to benefit.
> >>>
> >>> Examples include:
> >>> * A 16KiB large folio will be compressed and stored as a single 16KiB
> >>>   block.
> >>> * A 64KiB large folio will be compressed and stored as four 16KiB
> >>>   blocks.
> >>>
> >>> For example, swapping out and swapping in 100MiB of typical anonymous
> >>> data 100 times (with 16KB mTHP enabled) using zstd yields the following
> >>> results:
> >>>
> >>>                         w/o patches        w/ patches
> >>> swap-out time(ms)       68711              49908
> >>> swap-in time(ms)        30687              20685
> >>> compression ratio       20.49%             16.9%
> >>
> >> The data looks good.  Thanks!
> >>
> >> Have you considered the situation that the large folio fails to be
> >> allocated during swap-in?  It's possible because the memory may be very
> >> fragmented.
> >
> > That's correct, good question. On phones, we use a large folio pool to maintain
> > a relatively high allocation success rate. When mTHP allocation fails, we have
> > a workaround to allocate nr_pages of small folios and map them together to
> > avoid partial reads.  This ensures that the benefits of larger block compression
> > and decompression are consistently maintained.  That was the code running
> > on production phones.
> >
>
> Thanks for sending the v2!
>
> How is the large folio pool maintained. I dont think there is something in upstream

In production phones, we have extended the migration type for mTHP
separately during Linux
boot[1].

[1] https://github.com/OnePlusOSS/android_kernel_oneplus_sm8650/blob/oneplus/sm8650_u_14.0.0_oneplus12/mm/page_alloc.c#L2089

These pageblocks have their own migration type, resulting in a separate buddy
free list.

We prevent order-0 allocations from drawing memory from this pool, ensuring a
relatively high success rate for mTHP allocations.

In one instance, phones reported an mTHP allocation success rate of less than 5%
after running for a few hours without this kind of reservation
mechanism. Therefore,
we need an upstream solution in the kernel to ensure sustainable mTHP support
across all scenarios.

> kernel for this? The only thing that I saw on the mailing list is TAO for pmd-mappable
> THPs only? I think that was about 7-8 months ago and wasn't merged?

TAO supports mTHP as long as it can be configured through the bootcmd:
nomerge=25%,4
This means we are providing a 4-order mTHP pool with 25% of total memory
reserved.

Note that the Android common kernel has already integrated TAO[2][3],
so we are trying
to use TAO to replace our previous approach of extending the migration type.

[2] https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common/+/c1ff6dcf209e4abc23584d2cd117f725421bccac
[3] https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common/+/066872d13d0c0b076785f0b794b650de0941c1c9

> The workaround to allocate nr_pages of small folios and map them
> together to avoid partial reads is also not upstream, right?

Correct. It's running on the phones[4][5], but I still don't know how
to handle it upstream
properly.

[4] https://github.com/OnePlusOSS/android_kernel_oneplus_sm8650/blob/oneplus/sm8650_u_14.0.0_oneplus12/mm/memory.c#L4656
[5] https://github.com/OnePlusOSS/android_kernel_oneplus_sm8650/blob/oneplus/sm8650_u_14.0.0_oneplus12/mm/memory.c#L5439

>
> Do you have any data how this would perform with the upstream kernel, i.e. without
> a large folio pool and the workaround and if large granularity compression is worth having
> without those patches?

I’d say large granularity compression isn’t a problem, but large
granularity decompression
could be.

The worst case would be if we swap out a large block, such as 16KB,
but end up swapping in
4 times due to allocation failures, falling back to smaller folios. In
this scenario, we would need
to perform three redundant decompressions. I will work with Tangquan
to provide this data this
week.

But once we swap in small folios, they remain small (we can't collapse
them for mTHP).
As a result, the next time, they will be swapped out and swapped in as
small folios.
Therefore, this potential loss is one-time.

>
> Thanks,
> Usama
>
> > We also previously experimented with maintaining multiple buffers for
> > decompressed
> > large blocks in zRAM, allowing upcoming do_swap_page() calls to use them when
> > falling back to small folios. In this setup, the buffers achieved a
> > high hit rate, though
> > I don’t recall the exact number.
> >
> > I'm concerned that this fault-around-like fallback to nr_pages small
> > folios may not
> > gain traction upstream. Do you have any suggestions for improvement?
> >
> >>
> >>> -v2:
> >>>  While it is not mature yet, I know some people are waiting for
> >>>  an update :-)
> >>>  * Fixed some stability issues.
> >>>  * rebase againest the latest mm-unstable.
> >>>  * Set default order to 2 which benefits all anon mTHP.
> >>>  * multipages ZsPageMovable is not supported yet.
> >>>
> >>> Tangquan Zheng (2):
> >>>   mm: zsmalloc: support objects compressed based on multiple pages
> >>>   zram: support compression at the granularity of multi-pages
> >>>
> >>>  drivers/block/zram/Kconfig    |   9 +
> >>>  drivers/block/zram/zcomp.c    |  17 +-
> >>>  drivers/block/zram/zcomp.h    |  12 +-
> >>>  drivers/block/zram/zram_drv.c | 450 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
> >>>  drivers/block/zram/zram_drv.h |  45 ++++
> >>>  include/linux/zsmalloc.h      |  10 +-
> >>>  mm/Kconfig                    |  18 ++
> >>>  mm/zsmalloc.c                 | 232 +++++++++++++-----
> >>>  8 files changed, 699 insertions(+), 94 deletions(-)
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Huang, Ying
> >

Thanks
barry


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-11 20:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-07 10:10 Barry Song
2024-11-07 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/2] mm: zsmalloc: support objects compressed based on multiple pages Barry Song
2024-11-07 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/2] zram: support compression at the granularity of multi-pages Barry Song
2024-11-08  5:19 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/2] mTHP-friendly compression in zsmalloc and zram based on multi-pages Huang, Ying
2024-11-08  6:51   ` Barry Song
2024-11-11 16:43     ` Usama Arif
2024-11-11 20:31       ` Barry Song [this message]
2024-11-18  9:56         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-11-18 20:27           ` Barry Song
2024-11-19  2:45             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-11-19  2:51               ` Barry Song
2024-11-12  1:07     ` Huang, Ying
2024-11-12  1:25       ` Barry Song
2024-11-12  1:25         ` Huang, Ying
2024-11-11 19:30 ` Nhat Pham
2024-11-11 21:37   ` Barry Song
2024-11-18 10:27     ` Barry Song
2024-11-18 20:00       ` Nhat Pham
2024-11-18 20:28       ` Usama Arif
2024-11-18 20:51         ` Barry Song
2024-11-18 21:48           ` Barry Song

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