From: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
To: "Sridhar, Kanchana P" <kanchana.p.sridhar@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v11 22/24] mm: zswap: Allocate pool batching resources if the compressor supports batching.
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2025 11:28:33 +1200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGsJ_4xy3mksbwj61qnNrSpcFgkanEK0tCzJcjQgVF-oAyXe8A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <PH7PR11MB81211DD54822167C6BA238D5C93BA@PH7PR11MB8121.namprd11.prod.outlook.com>
> >
> > If ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE is set to 8 and there is no hardware batching,
> > compression is done with a step size of 1. If the hardware step size is 4,
> > compression occurs in two steps. If the hardware step size is 6, the first
> > compression uses a step size of 6, and the second uses a step size of 2.
> > Do you think this will work?
>
> Hi Barry,
>
> This would be non-optimal from code simplicity and latency perspectives.
> One of the benefits of using the hardware accelerator's "batch parallelism"
> is cost amortization across the batch. We might lose this benefit if we make
> multiple calls to zswap_compress() to ask the hardware accelerator to
> batch compress in smaller batches. Compression throughput would also
> be sub-optimal.
I guess it wouldn’t be an issue if both ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE and
pool->compr_batch_size are powers of two. As you mentioned, we still
gain improvement with ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE batching even when
pool->compr_batch_size == 1, by compressing pages one by one but
batching other work such as zswap_entries_cache_alloc_batch() ?
>
> In my patch-series, the rule is simple: if an algorithm has specified a
> batch-size, carve out the folio by that "batch-size" # of pages to be
> compressed as a batch in zswap_compress(). This custom batch-size
> is capped at ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE.
>
> If an algorithm has not specified a batch-size, the default batch-size
> is 1. In this case, carve out the folio by ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE
> # of pages to be compressed as a batch in zswap_compress().
Yes, I understand your rule. However, having two global variables is still
somewhat confusing. It might be clearer to use a single variable with a
comment, since one variable can clearly determine the value of the other.
Can we get the batch_size at runtime based on pool->compr_batch_size?
/*
* If hardware compression supports batching, we use the hardware step size.
* Otherwise, we use ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE for batching, but still compress
* one page at a time.
*/
batch_size = pool->compr_batch_size > 1 ? pool->compr_batch_size :
ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE;
We probably don’t need this if both pool->compr_batch_size and
ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE are powers of two?
>
> >
> > I don’t quite understand why you want to save
> > ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE - X resources, since even without hardware
> > batching
> > you are still allocating all ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE resources. This is the
> > case for all platforms except yours.
>
> Not sure I understand.. Just to clarify, this is not done to save on resources,
> rather for the reasons stated above.
>
> We are already saving on resources by only allocating only
> "pool->compr_batch_size" number of resources
> (*not* ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE resources):
>
> pool->compr_batch_size = min(ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE,
> crypto_acomp_batch_size(acomp_ctx->acomp));
>
> For non-Intel platforms, this means only 1 dst buffer is allocated, as
> explained in the commit log for this patch.
you are right. I misunderstood your code :-)
>
> " A "u8 compr_batch_size" member is added to "struct zswap_pool", as per
> Yosry's suggestion. pool->compr_batch_size is set as the minimum of the
> compressor's max batch-size and ZSWAP_MAX_BATCH_SIZE. Accordingly, it
> proceeds to allocate the necessary compression dst buffers in the
> per-CPU acomp_ctx."
This is fine, but it still doesn’t provide a strong reason for having
two global variables when one can fully determine the value of the other.
Thanks
Barry
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-08-28 23:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-08-01 4:36 [PATCH v11 00/24] zswap compression batching with optimized iaa_crypto driver Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 01/24] crypto: iaa - Reorganize the iaa_crypto driver code Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 02/24] crypto: iaa - New architecture for IAA device WQ comp/decomp usage & core mapping Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 03/24] crypto: iaa - Simplify, consistency of function parameters, minor stats bug fix Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 04/24] crypto: iaa - Descriptor allocation timeouts with mitigations Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 05/24] crypto: iaa - iaa_wq uses percpu_refs for get/put reference counting Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 06/24] crypto: iaa - Simplify the code flow in iaa_compress() and iaa_decompress() Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 07/24] crypto: iaa - Refactor hardware descriptor setup into separate procedures Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 08/24] crypto: iaa - Simplified, efficient job submissions for non-irq mode Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 09/24] crypto: iaa - Deprecate exporting add/remove IAA compression modes Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 10/24] crypto: iaa - Rearchitect the iaa_crypto driver to be usable by zswap and zram Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 11/24] crypto: iaa - Enablers for submitting descriptors then polling for completion Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 12/24] crypto: acomp - Add "void *kernel_data" in "struct acomp_req" for kernel users Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 13/24] crypto: iaa - IAA Batching for parallel compressions/decompressions Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 14/24] crypto: iaa - Enable async mode and make it the default Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 15/24] crypto: iaa - Disable iaa_verify_compress by default Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 16/24] crypto: iaa - Submit the two largest source buffers first in decompress batching Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 17/24] crypto: iaa - Add deflate-iaa-dynamic compression mode Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 18/24] crypto: acomp - Add crypto_acomp_batch_size() to get an algorithm's batch-size Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-15 5:28 ` Herbert Xu
2025-08-22 19:31 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-22 21:48 ` Nhat Pham
2025-08-22 21:58 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-22 22:00 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 19/24] crypto: iaa - IAA acomp_algs register the get_batch_size() interface Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-29 0:16 ` Barry Song
2025-08-29 3:12 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 20/24] mm: zswap: Per-CPU acomp_ctx resources exist from pool creation to deletion Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 21/24] mm: zswap: Consistently use IS_ERR_OR_NULL() to check acomp_ctx resources Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 22/24] mm: zswap: Allocate pool batching resources if the compressor supports batching Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-14 20:58 ` Nhat Pham
2025-08-14 22:05 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-26 3:48 ` Barry Song
2025-08-26 4:27 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-26 4:42 ` Barry Song
2025-08-26 4:56 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-26 5:17 ` Barry Song
2025-08-27 0:06 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-28 21:39 ` Barry Song
2025-08-28 22:47 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-28 23:28 ` Barry Song [this message]
2025-08-29 2:56 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-29 3:42 ` Barry Song
2025-08-29 18:39 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-30 8:40 ` Barry Song
2025-09-03 18:00 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 23/24] mm: zswap: zswap_store() will process a large folio in batches Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-14 21:05 ` Nhat Pham
2025-08-14 22:10 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-28 23:59 ` Barry Song
2025-08-29 3:06 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-01 4:36 ` [PATCH v11 24/24] mm: zswap: Batched zswap_compress() with compress batching of large folios Kanchana P Sridhar
2025-08-14 21:14 ` Nhat Pham
2025-08-14 22:17 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-28 23:54 ` Barry Song
2025-08-29 3:04 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-29 3:31 ` Barry Song
2025-08-29 3:39 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-08 23:51 ` [PATCH v11 00/24] zswap compression batching with optimized iaa_crypto driver Nhat Pham
2025-08-09 0:03 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-15 5:27 ` Herbert Xu
2025-08-22 19:26 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-25 5:38 ` Herbert Xu
2025-08-25 18:12 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-26 1:13 ` Herbert Xu
2025-08-26 4:09 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-08-26 4:14 ` Herbert Xu
2025-08-26 4:42 ` Sridhar, Kanchana P
2025-09-18 2:38 ` Vinicius Costa Gomes
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