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From: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
To: "Huang, Ying" <ying.huang@intel.com>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org, axboe@kernel.dk,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 0/2] mTHP-friendly compression in zsmalloc and zram based on multi-pages
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2024 14:25:08 +1300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGsJ_4xVB4EKR9pitLa3aUmxiHUr8VNSS=QQ12_peO7PGvTZfg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pln1z2da.fsf@yhuang6-desk2.ccr.corp.intel.com>

On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 2:11 PM Huang, Ying <ying.huang@intel.com> wrote:
>
> Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Fri, Nov 8, 2024 at 6:23 PM Huang, Ying <ying.huang@intel.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi, Barry,
> >>
> >> Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com> writes:
> >>
> >> > From: Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>
> >> >
> >> > When large folios are compressed at a larger granularity, we observe
> >> > a notable reduction in CPU usage and a significant improvement in
> >> > compression ratios.
> >> >
> >> > mTHP's ability to be swapped out without splitting and swapped back in
> >> > as a whole allows compression and decompression at larger granularities.
> >> >
> >> > This patchset enhances zsmalloc and zram by adding support for dividing
> >> > large folios into multi-page blocks, typically configured with a
> >> > 2-order granularity. Without this patchset, a large folio is always
> >> > divided into `nr_pages` 4KiB blocks.
> >> >
> >> > The granularity can be set using the `ZSMALLOC_MULTI_PAGES_ORDER`
> >> > setting, where the default of 2 allows all anonymous THP to benefit.
> >> >
> >> > Examples include:
> >> > * A 16KiB large folio will be compressed and stored as a single 16KiB
> >> >   block.
> >> > * A 64KiB large folio will be compressed and stored as four 16KiB
> >> >   blocks.
> >> >
> >> > For example, swapping out and swapping in 100MiB of typical anonymous
> >> > data 100 times (with 16KB mTHP enabled) using zstd yields the following
> >> > results:
> >> >
> >> >                         w/o patches        w/ patches
> >> > swap-out time(ms)       68711              49908
> >> > swap-in time(ms)        30687              20685
> >> > compression ratio       20.49%             16.9%
> >>
> >> The data looks good.  Thanks!
> >>
> >> Have you considered the situation that the large folio fails to be
> >> allocated during swap-in?  It's possible because the memory may be very
> >> fragmented.
> >
> > That's correct, good question. On phones, we use a large folio pool to maintain
> > a relatively high allocation success rate. When mTHP allocation fails, we have
> > a workaround to allocate nr_pages of small folios and map them together to
> > avoid partial reads.  This ensures that the benefits of larger block compression
> > and decompression are consistently maintained.  That was the code running
> > on production phones.
> >
> > We also previously experimented with maintaining multiple buffers for
> > decompressed
> > large blocks in zRAM, allowing upcoming do_swap_page() calls to use them when
> > falling back to small folios. In this setup, the buffers achieved a
> > high hit rate, though
> > I don’t recall the exact number.
> >
> > I'm concerned that this fault-around-like fallback to nr_pages small
> > folios may not
> > gain traction upstream. Do you have any suggestions for improvement?
>
> It appears that we still haven't a solution to guarantee 100% mTHP
> allocation success rate.  If so, we need a fallback solution for that.
>
> Another possible solution is,
>
> 1) If failed to allocate mTHP with nr_pages, allocate nr_pages normal (4k)
>    folios instead
>
> 2) Revise the decompression interface to accept a set of folios (instead
>    of one folio) as target.  Then, we can decompress to the normal
>    folios allocated in 1).
>
> 3) in do_swap_page(), we can either map all folios or just the fault
>    folios.  We can put non-fault folios into swap cache if necessary.
>
> Does this work?

this is exactly what we did in production phones:

[1] https://github.com/OnePlusOSS/android_kernel_oneplus_sm8650/blob/oneplus/sm8650_u_14.0.0_oneplus12/mm/memory.c#L4656
[2] https://github.com/OnePlusOSS/android_kernel_oneplus_sm8650/blob/oneplus/sm8650_u_14.0.0_oneplus12/mm/memory.c#L5439

I feel that we don't need to fall back to nr_pages (though that's what
we used on phones);
using a dedicated 4 should be sufficient, as if zsmalloc is handling
compression and
decompression of 16KB. However, we are not adding them to the
swapcache; instead,
they are mapped immediately.

>
> >>
> >> > -v2:
> >> >  While it is not mature yet, I know some people are waiting for
> >> >  an update :-)
> >> >  * Fixed some stability issues.
> >> >  * rebase againest the latest mm-unstable.
> >> >  * Set default order to 2 which benefits all anon mTHP.
> >> >  * multipages ZsPageMovable is not supported yet.
> >> >
> >> > Tangquan Zheng (2):
> >> >   mm: zsmalloc: support objects compressed based on multiple pages
> >> >   zram: support compression at the granularity of multi-pages
> >> >
> >> >  drivers/block/zram/Kconfig    |   9 +
> >> >  drivers/block/zram/zcomp.c    |  17 +-
> >> >  drivers/block/zram/zcomp.h    |  12 +-
> >> >  drivers/block/zram/zram_drv.c | 450 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---
> >> >  drivers/block/zram/zram_drv.h |  45 ++++
> >> >  include/linux/zsmalloc.h      |  10 +-
> >> >  mm/Kconfig                    |  18 ++
> >> >  mm/zsmalloc.c                 | 232 +++++++++++++-----
> >> >  8 files changed, 699 insertions(+), 94 deletions(-)
> >>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Huang, Ying

Thanks
barry


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-12  1:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-07 10:10 Barry Song
2024-11-07 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC v2 1/2] mm: zsmalloc: support objects compressed based on multiple pages Barry Song
2024-11-07 10:10 ` [PATCH RFC v2 2/2] zram: support compression at the granularity of multi-pages Barry Song
2024-11-08  5:19 ` [PATCH RFC v2 0/2] mTHP-friendly compression in zsmalloc and zram based on multi-pages Huang, Ying
2024-11-08  6:51   ` Barry Song
2024-11-11 16:43     ` Usama Arif
2024-11-11 20:31       ` Barry Song
2024-11-18  9:56         ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-11-18 20:27           ` Barry Song
2024-11-19  2:45             ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2024-11-19  2:51               ` Barry Song
2024-11-12  1:07     ` Huang, Ying
2024-11-12  1:25       ` Barry Song [this message]
2024-11-12  1:25         ` Huang, Ying
2024-11-11 19:30 ` Nhat Pham
2024-11-11 21:37   ` Barry Song
2024-11-18 10:27     ` Barry Song
2024-11-18 20:00       ` Nhat Pham
2024-11-18 20:28       ` Usama Arif
2024-11-18 20:51         ` Barry Song
2024-11-18 21:48           ` Barry Song

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