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From: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
To: Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>
Cc: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	 Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
	 Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>,
	Barry Song <v-songbaohua@oppo.com>,
	 Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	 "Matthew Wilcox (Oracle)" <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Yang Shi <shy828301@gmail.com>,
	 Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH rfc 0/3] mm: allow more high-order pages stored on PCP lists
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2024 12:21:15 +1200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGsJ_4x5AvffOynnJTm-DPeQO=Wb3X3OKKHi4bPq1E7b8bo+xg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <90501d59-e3f2-4ac4-9e42-4eca3bb0a91b@huawei.com>

On Tue, Apr 16, 2024 at 12:18 AM Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 2024/4/15 18:52, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> > On 15.04.24 10:59, Kefeng Wang wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 2024/4/15 16:18, Barry Song wrote:
> >>> On Mon, Apr 15, 2024 at 8:12 PM Kefeng Wang
> >>> <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Both the file pages and anonymous pages support large folio, high-order
> >>>> pages except PMD_ORDER will also be allocated frequently which could
> >>>> increase the zone lock contention, allow high-order pages on pcp lists
> >>>> could reduce the big zone lock contention, but as commit 44042b449872
> >>>> ("mm/page_alloc: allow high-order pages to be stored on the per-cpu
> >>>> lists")
> >>>> pointed, it may not win in all the scenes, add a new control sysfs to
> >>>> enable or disable specified high-order pages stored on PCP lists,
> >>>> the order
> >>>> (PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER, PMD_ORDER) won't be stored on PCP list by
> >>>> default.
> >>>
> >>> This is precisely something Baolin and I have discussed and intended
> >>> to implement[1],
> >>> but unfortunately, we haven't had the time to do so.
> >>
> >> Indeed, same thing. Recently, we are working on unixbench/lmbench
> >> optimization, I tested Multi-size THP for anonymous memory by hard-cord
> >> PAGE_ALLOC_COSTLY_ORDER from 3 to 4[1], it shows some improvement but
> >> not for all cases and not very stable, so re-implemented it by according
> >> to the user requirement and enable it dynamically.
> >
> > I'm wondering, though, if this is really a suitable candidate for a
> > sysctl toggle. Can anybody really come up with an educated guess for
> > these values?
>
> Not sure this is suitable in sysctl, but mTHP anon is enabled in sysctl,
> we could trace __alloc_pages() and do order statistic to decide to
> choose the high-order to be enabled on PCP.
>
> >
> > Especially reading "Benchmarks Score shows a little improvoment(0.28%)"
> > and "it may not win in all the scenes", to me it mostly sounds like
> > "minimal impact" -- so who cares?
>
> Even though lock conflicts are eliminated, there is very limited
> performance improvement(even maybe fluctuation), it is not a good
> testcase to show improvement, just show the zone-lock issue, we need to
> find other better testcase, maybe some test on Andriod(heavy use 64K, no
> PMD THP), or LKP maybe give some help?
>
> I will try to find other testcase to show the benefit.

Hi Kefeng,

I wonder if you will see some major improvements on mTHP 64KiB using
the below microbench I wrote just now, for example perf and time to
finish the program

#define DATA_SIZE (2UL * 1024 * 1024)

int main(int argc, char **argv)
{
        /* make 32 concurrent alloc and free of mTHP */
        fork(); fork(); fork(); fork(); fork();

        for (int i = 0; i < 100000; i++) {
                void *addr = mmap(NULL, DATA_SIZE, PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE,
                                MAP_ANONYMOUS | MAP_PRIVATE, -1, 0);
                if (addr == MAP_FAILED) {
                        perror("fail to malloc");
                        return -1;
                }
                memset(addr, 0x11, DATA_SIZE);
                munmap(addr, DATA_SIZE);
        }

        return 0;
}

>
> >
> > How much is the cost vs. benefit of just having one sane system
> > configuration?
> >
>
> For arm64 with 4k, five more high-orders(4~8), five more pcplists,
> and for high-orders, we assumes most of them are moveable, but maybe
> not, so enable it by default maybe more fragmentization, see
> 5d0a661d808f ("mm/page_alloc: use only one PCP list for THP-sized
> allocations").
>


  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-16  0:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-04-15  8:12 Kefeng Wang
2024-04-15  8:12 ` [PATCH rfc 1/3] mm: prepare more high-order pages to be stored on the per-cpu lists Kefeng Wang
2024-04-15 11:41   ` Baolin Wang
2024-04-15 12:25     ` Kefeng Wang
2024-04-15  8:12 ` [PATCH rfc 2/3] mm: add control to allow specified high-order pages stored on PCP list Kefeng Wang
2024-04-15  8:12 ` [PATCH rfc 3/3] mm: pcp: show per-order pages count Kefeng Wang
2024-04-15  8:18 ` [PATCH rfc 0/3] mm: allow more high-order pages stored on PCP lists Barry Song
2024-04-15  8:59   ` Kefeng Wang
2024-04-15 10:52     ` David Hildenbrand
2024-04-15 11:14       ` Barry Song
2024-04-15 12:17       ` Kefeng Wang
2024-04-16  0:21         ` Barry Song [this message]
2024-04-16  4:50           ` Kefeng Wang
2024-04-16  4:58             ` Kefeng Wang
2024-04-16  5:26               ` Barry Song
2024-04-16  7:03                 ` David Hildenbrand
2024-04-16  8:06                   ` Kefeng Wang

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