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From: Barry Song <21cnbao@gmail.com>
To: Viacheslav Dubeyko <Slava.Dubeyko@ibm.com>
Cc: "lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org"
	<lsf-pc@lists.linux-foundation.org>,
	 Viacheslav Dubeyko <vdubeyko@redhat.com>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 Pavan Rallabhandi <Pavan.Rallabhandi@ibm.com>,
	 "linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	 "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"bpf@vger.kernel.org" <bpf@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [LSF/MM/BPF TOPIC] Machine Learning (ML) library in Linux kernel
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2026 18:25:31 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGsJ_4wgG6-FvDbLw4De0r_vPO1fTH_69A2VyntabmS6H5ZM8Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <47d21a6821c4b2d085f7b97bcdaa205bfcb0e0ad.camel@ibm.com>

On Sat, Feb 7, 2026 at 3:40 AM Viacheslav Dubeyko <Slava.Dubeyko@ibm.com> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
[...]
>
> The continuous learning model can be adopted during training phase.
> It implies that kernel subsystem can receive ML model recommendations
> even during training phase. ML model proxy on kernel side can estimate
> the current kernel subsystem state, tries to apply the ML model
> recommendations, and estimate the efficiency of applied recommendations.
> Generally speaking, ML model proxy on kernel side can consider several
> modes of interaction with ML model recommendations: (1) emergency mode,
> (2) learning mode, (3) collaboration mode, (4) recommendation mode.
> The emergency mode is the mode when kernel subsystem is in critical state
> and it is required to work as efficient as possible without capability of
> involving the ML model recommendations (for example, ML model
> recommendations are completely inadequate or load is very high).
> The learning mode implies that kernel subsystem can try to apply
> the ML model recommendations for some operations with the goal of
> estimation the maturity of ML model. Also, ML model proxy can degrade
> the mode to learning state if ML model recommendations becomes inefficient.
> The collaboration mode has the goal of using ML recommendations in
> 50% of operations with the goal of achieving mature state of ML model.
> And, finally, ML model proxy can convert kernel subsystem in recommendation
> mode if ML model is mature enough and efficiency of applying
> the ML recommendations is higher than using human-made algorithms.

Hi Slava,

Do we have any concrete examples where an ML-based proxy,
together with its userspace ML agent, has demonstrated
measurable performance improvements over well-designed,
human-crafted kernel algorithms?

Such examples could be in scheduling, filesystem I/O, or memory
reclamation and readahead. I think having a real, data-backed
example would be much more helpful for this discussion than
reasoning about an abstract framework without a concrete use
case.

Thanks,
Barry


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-02-09 10:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-06 19:38 Viacheslav Dubeyko
2026-02-06 23:28 ` Hillf Danton
2026-02-09 10:03 ` Chris Li
2026-02-09 22:28   ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2026-02-10 13:47     ` [Lsf-pc] " Jan Kara
2026-02-10 14:20       ` Chris Mason
2026-02-10 22:36         ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2026-02-11  1:30           ` SeongJae Park
2026-02-11 20:29             ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2026-02-10 21:02       ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2026-02-11  9:55         ` Jan Kara
2026-02-12  0:53           ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2026-02-12 11:02             ` Jan Kara
2026-02-09 10:25 ` Barry Song [this message]
2026-02-09 22:07   ` Viacheslav Dubeyko
2026-02-10  3:06     ` Barry Song
2026-02-10 19:57       ` Viacheslav Dubeyko

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