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From: Alexander Potapenko <glider@google.com>
To: Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>
Cc: Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, brauner@kernel.org,  corbet@lwn.net,
	graf@amazon.com, jgg@ziepe.ca, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	masahiroy@kernel.org,  ojeda@kernel.org, rdunlap@infradead.org,
	rppt@kernel.org, tj@kernel.org,  jasonmiu@google.com,
	dmatlack@google.com, skhawaja@google.com,  elver@google.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] liveupdate: kho: allocate metadata directly from the buddy allocator
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2025 16:36:08 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG_fn=UNOLezyetfBYd3ztWDHmGwht-01yf1_p+O-JXcPu57TA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+CK2bCG011xf7v9nGMq4WQAUta9wDt05+W8KmRuc-JE7ZTwqg@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 4:19 PM Pasha Tatashin
<pasha.tatashin@soleen.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2025 at 9:05 AM Pratyush Yadav <pratyush@kernel.org> wrote:
> >
> > +Cc Marco, Alexander
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 15 2025, Pasha Tatashin wrote:
> >
> > > KHO allocates metadata for its preserved memory map using the SLUB
> > > allocator via kzalloc(). This metadata is temporary and is used by the
> > > next kernel during early boot to find preserved memory.
> > >
> > > A problem arises when KFENCE is enabled. kzalloc() calls can be
> > > randomly intercepted by kfence_alloc(), which services the allocation
> > > from a dedicated KFENCE memory pool. This pool is allocated early in
> > > boot via memblock.
> >
> > At some point, we'd probably want to add support for preserving slab
> > objects using KHO. That wouldn't work if the objects can land in scratch
> > memory. Right now, the kfence pools are allocated right before KHO goes
> > out of scratch-only and memblock frees pages to buddy.
>
> If we do that, most likely we will add a GFP flag that goes with it,
> so the slab can use a special pool of pages that are preservable.
> Otherwise, we are going to be leaking memory from the old kernel in
> the unpreserved parts of the pages. If we do that, kfence can ignore
> allocations with that new preservable GFP flag.

I think this is the best way forward.
Changing KFENCE to allocate the pool from buddy will make the
allocation size less flexible (goodbye, CONFIG_KFENCE_NUM_OBJECTS)


  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-15 14:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-15  5:31 [PATCH 0/2] KHO: Fix metadata allocation in scratch area Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-15  5:31 ` [PATCH 1/2] liveupdate: kho: warn and fail on metadata or preserved memory " Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-15  8:21   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-10-15 12:36     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-16 17:23       ` Mike Rapoport
2025-10-18 15:31         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-18 15:28       ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-15 12:10   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-15 12:40     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-15 13:11       ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-15  5:31 ` [PATCH 2/2] liveupdate: kho: allocate metadata directly from the buddy allocator Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-15  8:37   ` Mike Rapoport
2025-10-15 12:46     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-15 13:05   ` Pratyush Yadav
2025-10-15 14:19     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-15 14:36       ` Alexander Potapenko [this message]
2025-10-24 13:25       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-24 13:57         ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-24 14:20           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-24 14:36             ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-24 14:55               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-10-24 15:06                 ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-15 14:22     ` Pasha Tatashin
2025-10-24 13:21   ` Jason Gunthorpe

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