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From: Mike Waychison <mikew@google.com>
To: Takuya Yoshikawa <takuya.yoshikawa@gmail.com>
Cc: Ying Han <yinghan@google.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Mel Gorman <mel@csn.ul.ie>,
	KAMEZAWA Hiroyuki <kamezawa.hiroyu@jp.fujitsu.com>,
	Hillf Danton <dhillf@gmail.com>, Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>,
	Dan Magenheimer <dan.magenheimer@oracle.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	Avi Kivity <avi@redhat.com>,
	Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
	Eric Northup <digitaleric@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] kvm: don't call mmu_shrinker w/o used_mmu_pages
Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:15:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAGTjWtB_n+40MEHaQNxZuNhQpXJNGsfeV=Rbz3C12Ar9iPkW8Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120421105615.6b0b03640f7553060628d840@gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Takuya Yoshikawa
<takuya.yoshikawa@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Apr 2012 16:07:41 -0700
> Ying Han <yinghan@google.com> wrote:
>
>> My understanding of the real pain is the poor implementation of the
>> mmu_shrinker. It iterates all the registered mmu_shrink callbacks for
>> each kvm and only does little work at a time while holding two big
>> locks. I learned from mikew@ (also ++cc-ed) that is causing latency
>> spikes and unfairness among kvm instance in some of the experiment
>> we've seen.

The pains we have with mmu_shrink are twofold:

 - Memory pressure against the shinker applies globally.  Any task can
cause pressure within their own environment (using numa or memcg) and
cause the global shrinker to shrink all shadowed tables on the system
(regardless of how memory is isolated between tasks).
 - Massive lock contention when all these CPUs are hitting the global
lock (which backs everybody on the system up).

In our situation, we simple disable the shrinker altogether.  My
understanding is that we EPT or NPT, the amount of memory used by
these tables is bounded by the size of guest physical memory, whereas
with software shadowed tables, it is bounded by the addresses spaces
in the guest.  This bound makes it reasonable to not do any reclaim
and charge it as a "system overhead tax".

As for data, the most impressive result was a massive improvement in
round-trip latency to a webserver running in a guest while another
process on the system was thrashing through page-cache (on a dozen or
so spinning disks iirc).  We were using fake-numa, and would otherwise
not expect the antagonist to drastrically affect the latency-sensitive
task (as per a lot of effort into making that work).  Unfortunately,
we saw the 99th%ile latency riding at the 140ms timeout cut-off (they
were likely tailing out much longer), with the 95%ile at over 40ms.
With the mmu_shrinker disabled, the 99th%ile latency quickly dropped
down to about 20ms.

CPU profiles were showing 30% of cpu time wasted on spinlocks, all the
mmu_list_lock iirc.

In our case, I'm much happier just disabling the damned thing altogether.

>
> Last year, I discussed the mmu_shrink issues on kvm ML:
>
>        [PATCH 0/4] KVM: Make mmu_shrink() scan nr_to_scan shadow pages
>        http://www.spinics.net/lists/kvm/msg65231.html
>
> Sadly, we could not find any good way at that time.
>
> Thanks,
>        Takuya

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  reply	other threads:[~2012-04-21  2:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-04-13 22:38 Ying Han
2012-04-14 11:44 ` Hillf Danton
2012-04-16 16:43   ` Ying Han
2012-04-20 22:11 ` Andrew Morton
2012-04-20 22:53   ` Rik van Riel
2012-04-20 23:07     ` Ying Han
2012-04-21  1:56       ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2012-04-21  2:15         ` Mike Waychison [this message]
2012-04-21  2:29           ` Takuya Yoshikawa
2012-04-21  2:48             ` Mike Waychison
2012-04-22  9:16           ` Avi Kivity
2012-04-22 19:05             ` Eric Northup
2012-04-23  8:37               ` Avi Kivity
2012-04-22  9:04   ` Avi Kivity
2012-04-22  9:35   ` Avi Kivity
2012-04-23 16:40     ` Ying Han
2012-04-23 16:48       ` Rik van Riel
2012-04-23 16:57         ` Avi Kivity

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