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From: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
To: Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 1/6] fs/proc/task_mmu: Fix pte update and tlb maintenance ordering in pagemap_scan_pmd_entry()
Date: Fri, 30 May 2025 18:48:03 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG48ez27zfTAPrm-UX7_oqLs5S14-Miw9qreKyq2sMjxkn7q7A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d183b3ff-ab61-4dc4-98c8-7ab9c1f6a4aa@arm.com>

On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 6:45 PM Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com> wrote:
> On 30/05/2025 17:26, Jann Horn wrote:
> > On Fri, May 30, 2025 at 4:04 PM Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com> wrote:
> >> pagemap_scan_pmd_entry() was previously modifying ptes while in lazy mmu
> >> mode, then performing tlb maintenance for the modified ptes, then
> >> leaving lazy mmu mode. But any pte modifications during lazy mmu mode
> >> may be deferred until arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode(), inverting the required
> >> ordering between pte modificaiton and tlb maintenance.
> >>
> >> Let's fix that by leaving mmu mode, forcing all the pte updates to be
> >> actioned, before doing the tlb maintenance.
> >>
> >> This is a theorectical bug discovered during code review.
> >>
> >> Fixes: 52526ca7fdb9 ("fs/proc/task_mmu: implement IOCTL to get and optionally clear info about PTEs")
> >
> > Hmm... isn't lazy mmu mode supposed to also delay TLB flushes, and
> > preserve the ordering of PTE modifications and TLB flushes?
> >
> > Looking at the existing implementations of lazy MMU:
> >
> >  - In Xen PV implementation of lazy MMU, I see that TLB flush
> > hypercalls are delayed as well (xen_flush_tlb(),
> > xen_flush_tlb_one_user() and xen_flush_tlb_multi() all use
> > xen_mc_issue(XEN_LAZY_MMU) which delays issuing if lazymmu is active).
> >  - The sparc version also seems to delay TLB flushes, and sparc's
> > arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode() seems to do TLB flushes via
> > flush_tlb_pending() if necessary.
> >  - powerpc's arch_leave_lazy_mmu_mode() also seems to do TLB flushes.
> >
> > Am I missing something?
>
> I doubt it. I suspect this was just my misunderstanding then. I hadn't
> appreciated that lazy mmu is also guarranteed to maintain flush ordering; it's
> chronically under-documented. Sorry for the noise here. On that basis, I expect
> the first 2 patches can definitely be dropped.

Yeah looking at this code I agree that it could use significantly more
verbose comments on the API contract.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-05-30 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-30 14:04 [RFC PATCH v1 0/6] Lazy mmu mode fixes and improvements Ryan Roberts
2025-05-30 14:04 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/6] fs/proc/task_mmu: Fix pte update and tlb maintenance ordering in pagemap_scan_pmd_entry() Ryan Roberts
2025-05-30 16:26   ` Jann Horn
2025-05-30 16:45     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-05-30 16:48       ` Jann Horn [this message]
2025-05-30 14:04 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/6] mm: Fix pte update and tlb maintenance ordering in migrate_vma_collect_pmd() Ryan Roberts
2025-05-30 14:04 ` [RFC PATCH v1 3/6] mm: Avoid calling page allocator from apply_to_page_range() Ryan Roberts
2025-05-30 16:23   ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-05-30 16:50     ` Ryan Roberts
2025-05-30 19:08       ` Liam R. Howlett
2025-05-30 14:04 ` [RFC PATCH v1 4/6] mm: Introduce arch_in_lazy_mmu_mode() Ryan Roberts
2025-05-30 14:04 ` [RFC PATCH v1 5/6] mm: Avoid calling page allocator while in lazy mmu mode Ryan Roberts
2025-05-30 14:04 ` [RFC PATCH v1 6/6] Revert "arm64/mm: Permit lazy_mmu_mode to be nested" Ryan Roberts
2025-05-30 14:47 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/6] Lazy mmu mode fixes and improvements Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-05-30 15:55   ` Ryan Roberts
2025-05-31  7:46     ` Mike Rapoport
2025-06-02 10:31       ` Ryan Roberts

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