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From: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
To: David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
	Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] hugetlb: block hugetlb file creation if hugetlb is not set up
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:35:29 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAG48ez16jg19dhypHqHABU5BdjZhyfSeC7vMtxFoKJEiH4Ok_Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a98bce1a-38ef-4c96-b5f1-bb6183c57d08@redhat.com>

On Tue, Jun 17, 2025 at 11:13 AM David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com> wrote:
> On 03.06.25 06:29, Jann Horn wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 3, 2025 at 5:41 AM Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote:
> >> On Wed, 28 May 2025 19:51:29 +0200 Jann Horn <jannh@google.com> wrote:
> >>> Many distro kernels enable hugetlb support, but most systems running
> >>> those kernels never actually allocate hugepages or enable hugetlb
> >>> overcommit.
> >>>
> >>> On such systems, hugetlb is unusable for any legitimate usecase, but it
> >>> is still possible to exercise a lot of hugetlb-specific code by creating
> >>> MAP_HUGETLB|MAP_NORESERVE VMAs - for example, it is still possible to
> >>> create page tables shared across processes.
> >>>
> >>> This is exposed through the mmap() syscall, with no privileges required,
> >>> so from a security perspective, this is interesting attack surface.
> >>>
> >>> Lock it down by completely denying creation of hugetlb files if no huge
> >>> pages for the hstate could be allocated without administratively
> >>> changing huge page limits.
> >>
> >> So this is a non-backward-compatible change?
> >
> > Yes, this change changes kernel behavior that is userspace-visible,
> > and causes syscalls to return errors where they worked before.
> >
> >> If any userspace is affected it's probably either stupid or evil, but I
> >> do wonder if there are legit cases for doing this, such as "I don't
> >> know if there are any hugepages configured, but I'll try this anyway
> >> and figure out what to do later on".  And maybe there are other legit
> >> cases!
> >
> > Right. I think an affected case would be if userspace tries to detect
> > whether the kernel supports hugepages by creating a MAP_NORESERVE
> > mapping or huge memfd, and if that works, twiddles sysfs knobs to
> > actually allocate hugepages or shows a specific error message. Such a
> > program might end up wrongly assuming that the kernel does not support
> > hugepages. My understanding is that hugepages are normally
> > administratively configured so that they can be allocated early during
> > boot without having to worry about RAM fragmentation, in which case
> > this probably wouldn't happen, but it's not like I actually have a
> > good understanding of how typical hugetlb users work.
> >
> > Another affected case would be if userspace confirms that the kernel
> > supports hugetlb through sysfs or such, then creates a MAP_NORESERVE
> > hugetlb and asserts that this must work because MAP_NORESERVE more or
> > less can't fail, and crashes with an assertion failure or such.
> >
> > My understanding is that the combination of MAP_HUGETLB and
> > MAP_NORESERVE is somewhat rare in the first place; searching debian
> > codesearch for both flags on the same line, I basically only get one
> > hit in the "gridtools" package, though there might well be other cases
> > where the flags are set on separate lines. memfd_create(MFD_HUGETLB)
> > seems to be more common.
>
> QEMU can trigger this, and there might be corner-case use cases where
> you setup a virtio-mem device (to hotplug memory later) when staring the
> VM, but actually allocate the huge pages only when wanting to provide
> them to the VM.
>
> It's not that common, because usually you back all your VM through huge
> pages, not just hotplugged memory.
>
> But it's definitely possible ...

Okay, yeah, sounds like we should drop this patch for now, and I might
come back with a more targeted mitigation later.


  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-17 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-05-28 17:51 Jann Horn
2025-06-03  3:41 ` Andrew Morton
2025-06-03  4:29   ` Jann Horn
2025-06-03  5:43     ` Oscar Salvador
2025-06-03 19:14       ` Jann Horn
2025-06-04  2:54     ` Andrew Morton
2025-06-16 22:09     ` Mark Brown
2025-06-17  9:13     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-17 15:35       ` Jann Horn [this message]
2025-06-17  8:12 ` kernel test robot

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