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From: Ondrej Mosnacek <omosnace@redhat.com>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, paul@paul-moore.com,
	 jmorris@namei.org, serge@hallyn.com, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	 linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	 ligang.bdlg@bytedance.com, mhocko@suse.com
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH -mm 0/4] mm, security, bpf: Fine-grained control over memory policy adjustments with lsm bpf
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2023 09:50:02 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFqZXNsd5QCPQmOprf_iCCDNj8JKLjZWu3yA2=HtCYE+78F75A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALOAHbD+_0tHcm72Q6TM=EXDoZFrVWAsi4AC8_xGqK3wGkEy3g@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 4:17 AM Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Nov 13, 2023 at 12:45 AM Casey Schaufler <casey@schaufler-ca.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/11/2023 11:34 PM, Yafang Shao wrote:
> > > Background
> > > ==========
> > >
> > > In our containerized environment, we've identified unexpected OOM events
> > > where the OOM-killer terminates tasks despite having ample free memory.
> > > This anomaly is traced back to tasks within a container using mbind(2) to
> > > bind memory to a specific NUMA node. When the allocated memory on this node
> > > is exhausted, the OOM-killer, prioritizing tasks based on oom_score,
> > > indiscriminately kills tasks. This becomes more critical with guaranteed
> > > tasks (oom_score_adj: -998) aggravating the issue.
> >
> > Is there some reason why you can't fix the callers of mbind(2)?
> > This looks like an user space configuration error rather than a
> > system security issue.
>
> It appears my initial description may have caused confusion. In this
> scenario, the caller is an unprivileged user lacking any capabilities.
> While a privileged user, such as root, experiencing this issue might
> indicate a user space configuration error, the concerning aspect is
> the potential for an unprivileged user to disrupt the system easily.
> If this is perceived as a misconfiguration, the question arises: What
> is the correct configuration to prevent an unprivileged user from
> utilizing mbind(2)?"
>
> >
> > >
> > > The selected victim might not have allocated memory on the same NUMA node,
> > > rendering the killing ineffective. This patch aims to address this by
> > > disabling MPOL_BIND in container environments.
> > >
> > > In the container environment, our aim is to consolidate memory resource
> > > control under the management of kubelet. If users express a preference for
> > > binding their memory to a specific NUMA node, we encourage the adoption of
> > > a standardized approach. Specifically, we recommend configuring this memory
> > > policy through kubelet using cpuset.mems in the cpuset controller, rather
> > > than individual users setting it autonomously. This centralized approach
> > > ensures that NUMA nodes are globally managed through kubelet, promoting
> > > consistency and facilitating streamlined administration of memory resources
> > > across the entire containerized environment.
> >
> > Changing system behavior for a single use case doesn't seem prudent.
> > You're introducing a bunch of kernel code to avoid fixing a broken
> > user space configuration.
>
> Currently, there is no mechanism in place to proactively prevent an
> unprivileged user from utilizing mbind(2). The approach adopted is to
> monitor mbind(2) through a BPF program and trigger an alert if its
> usage is detected. However, beyond this monitoring, the only recourse
> is to verbally communicate with the user, advising against the use of
> mbind(2). As a result, users will question why mbind(2) isn't outright
> prohibited in the first place.

Is there a reason why you can't use syscall filtering via seccomp(2)?
AFAIK, all the mainstream container tooling already has support for
specifying seccomp filters for containers.

-- 
Ondrej Mosnacek
Senior Software Engineer, Linux Security - SELinux kernel
Red Hat, Inc.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-13  8:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20231112073424.4216-1-laoar.shao@gmail.com>
2023-11-12 16:45 ` Casey Schaufler
2023-11-13  3:15   ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-13  8:50     ` Ondrej Mosnacek [this message]
2023-11-13 21:23       ` Casey Schaufler
2023-11-14  2:30       ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-14 10:15     ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-14 11:59       ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-14 16:57         ` Casey Schaufler
2023-11-15  1:52           ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-15  8:45             ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-15  9:33               ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-15 14:26                 ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-15 17:09                   ` Casey Schaufler
2023-11-16  1:41                     ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-15 17:00                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-16  2:22                   ` Yafang Shao
2023-11-12 20:32 ` Paul Moore
2023-11-13  3:17   ` Yafang Shao

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