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From: Peter Oskolkov <posk@posk.io>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	 Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Linux Memory Management List <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	 Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,  Paul Turner <pjt@google.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Peter Oskolkov <posk@google.com>,
	 Andrei Vagin <avagin@google.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>,
	 Thierry Delisle <tdelisle@uwaterloo.ca>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v0.9.1 3/6] sched/umcg: implement UMCG syscalls
Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2021 15:38:38 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAFTs51XyGDNj89+FCn4HZqMHuenjQu2wqTOW8ow4hSUbdGrGhw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211129210841.GO721624@worktop.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Nov 29, 2021 at 1:08 PM Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
[...]
> > > > Another big concern I have is that you removed UMCG_TF_LOCKED. I
> > >
> > > OOh yes, I forgot to mention that. I couldn't figure out what it was
> > > supposed to do.
[...]
>
> So then A does:
>
>         A::next_tid = C.tid;
>         sys_umcg_wait();
>
> Which will:
>
>         pin(A);
>         pin(S0);
>
>         cmpxchg(A::state, RUNNING, RUNNABLE);

Hmm.... That's another difference between your patch and mine: my
approach was "the side that initiates the change updates the state".
So in my code the userspace changes the current task's state RUNNING
=> RUNNABLE and the next task's state, or the server's state, RUNNABLE
=> RUNNING before calling sys_umcg_wait(). The kernel changed worker
states to BLOCKED/RUNNABLE during block/wake detection, and marked
servers RUNNING when waking them during block/wake detection; but all
applicable state changes for sys_umcg_wait() happen in the userspace.

The reasoning behind this approach was:
- do in kernel only that which cannot be done in the userspace, to
make the kernel code smaller/simpler
- similar to how futexes work: futex_wait does not change the futex
value to the desired value, but just checks whether the futex value
matches the desired value
- similar to how futexes work, concurrent state changes can happen in
the userspace without calling into the kernel at all
    for example:
        - (a): worker A goes to sleep into sys_umcg_wait()
        - (b): worker B wants to context switch into worker A "a moment" later
        - due to preemption/interrupts/pagefaults/whatnot, (b) happens
in reality before (a)
    in my patchset, the situation above happily resolves in the
userspace so that worker A keeps running without ever calling
sys_umcg_wait().

Again, I don't think this is deal breaking, and your approach will
work, just a bit less efficiently in some cases :)

I'm still not sure we can live without UMCG_TF_LOCKED. What if worker
A transfers its server to worker B that A intends to context switch
into, and then worker A pagefaults or gets interrupted before calling
sys_umcg_wait()? The server will be woken up and will see that it is
assigned to worker B; now what? If worker A is "locked" before the
whole thing starts, the pagefault/interrupt will not trigger
block/wake detection, worker A will keep RUNNING for all intended
purposes, and eventually will call sys_umcg_wait() as it had
intended...

[...]


  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-29 23:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-22 21:13 [PATCH v0.9.1 0/6] sched,mm,x86/uaccess: implement User Managed Concurrency Groups Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 1/6] sched/umcg: add WF_CURRENT_CPU and externise ttwu Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 2/6] mm, x86/uaccess: add userspace atomic helpers Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-24 14:31   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 3/6] sched/umcg: implement UMCG syscalls Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-24 18:36   ` kernel test robot
2021-11-24 20:08   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 21:32     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-25 17:28     ` Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-26 17:09       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-26 21:08         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-26 21:59           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-26 22:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-27  0:45             ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-29 15:05               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-26 22:16         ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-27  1:16           ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-29 15:07             ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-29  0:29         ` Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-29 16:41           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-29 17:34             ` Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-29 21:08               ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-29 21:29                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-29 23:38                 ` Peter Oskolkov [this message]
2021-12-06 11:32                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-06 12:04                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-13 13:55                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-12-06 11:47               ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-01-19 17:26                 ` Peter Oskolkov
2022-01-20 11:07                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 21:19   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-26 21:11     ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-26 21:52       ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-29 22:07         ` Thomas Gleixner
2021-11-29 22:22           ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 21:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 21:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 22:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 4/6] sched/umcg, lib/umcg: implement libumcg Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 5/6] sched/umcg: add Documentation/userspace-api/umcg.txt Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-22 21:13 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 6/6] sched/umcg, lib/umcg: add tools/lib/umcg/libumcg.txt Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-24 14:06 ` [PATCH v0.9.1 0/6] sched,mm,x86/uaccess: implement User Managed Concurrency Groups Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-24 16:28   ` Peter Oskolkov
2021-11-24 17:20     ` Peter Zijlstra

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