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From: Chris Li <chrisl@kernel.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>
Cc: Liu Shixin <liushixin2@huawei.com>, Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>,
	 Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Yosry Ahmed <yosryahmed@google.com>,
	 Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	Sachin Sant <sachinp@linux.ibm.com>,
	 Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org,  linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v10] mm: vmscan: try to reclaim swapcache pages if no swap space
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 09:30:23 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAF8kJuO=Y6frTxMbR92XhzuC8Z8ALDWFLq2Mj3t0j+C9YXOaJw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZVyp5eETLTT0PCYj@tiehlicka>

On Tue, Nov 21, 2023 at 5:00 AM Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com> wrote:
> > However, in swapcache_only mode, the scan count still increased when scan
> > non-swapcache pages because there are large number of non-swapcache pages
> > and rare swapcache pages in swapcache_only mode, and if the non-swapcache
> > is skipped and do not count, the scan of pages in isolate_lru_folios() can
> > eventually lead to hung task, just as Sachin reported [2].
>
> I find this paragraph really confusing! I guess what you meant to say is
> that a real swapcache_only is problematic because it can end up not
> making any progress, correct?
>
> AFAIU you have addressed that problem by making swapcache_only anon LRU
> specific, right? That would be certainly more robust as you can still
> reclaim from file LRUs. I cannot say I like that because swapcache_only
> is a bit confusing and I do not think we want to grow more special

That is my feeling as well. I don't like to have too many special
purposes modes either. It makes the whole process much harder to
reason. The comment seems to suggest it is not effective in some
situations. I am wondering if we can address that situation more
directly without the special mode. At the same time I am not very
familiar with the reclaim code path yet. I need to learn more about
this problem space to articulate my thoughts better . I can dig in
more, I might ask a lot of silly questions.

Chris

> purpose reclaim types. Would it be possible/reasonable to instead put
> swapcache pages on the file LRU instead?
> --
> Michal Hocko
> SUSE Labs
>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-11-23 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-21  9:06 Liu Shixin
2023-11-21 13:00 ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-22  6:41   ` Liu Shixin
2023-11-22  6:44     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-22  6:57       ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-22  8:55         ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-22  8:52       ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-22 10:09         ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-22 10:39           ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-22 13:19             ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-22 20:13               ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-23  6:15               ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-24 16:30                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-27  2:34                   ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-27  7:42                     ` Chris Li
2023-11-27  8:11                       ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-27  8:22                         ` Chris Li
2023-11-27 21:31                           ` Minchan Kim
2023-11-27 21:56                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-28  3:19                               ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-28  3:27                                 ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-28  4:03                                   ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-28  4:13                                     ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-28  5:37                                       ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-28  5:41                                         ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-28  5:52                                           ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-28 22:37                                 ` Minchan Kim
2023-11-29  3:12                                   ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-29 10:22                                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-30  8:07                                   ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-28 23:45                               ` Chris Li
2023-11-27  9:10                     ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-28  1:31                       ` Huang, Ying
2023-11-28 10:16                         ` Michal Hocko
2023-11-28 22:45                           ` Minchan Kim
2023-11-28 23:05                             ` Yosry Ahmed
2023-11-28 23:15                               ` Minchan Kim
2023-11-29 10:17                                 ` Michal Hocko
2023-12-13 23:13                                   ` Andrew Morton
2023-12-15  5:05                                     ` Huang, Ying
2023-12-15 19:24                                       ` Andrew Morton
2023-11-23 17:30   ` Chris Li [this message]
2023-11-23 17:19 ` Chris Li
2023-11-28  1:59   ` Liu Shixin

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